Reslinging Camalot's with Longer Slings

Anyone had their older camalots reslung with 2x longer slings to reproduce the extendable sling options some newer cams have, like the newer DMM dragons?

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James Sweeney wrote: blackdiamondequipment.com/e…

that doesn't address the question as to why you cant have a longer sling of the same type and width.
A longer one should not change the load characteristics at all.

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As that link addresses, the sling needs to have that extra little loop to prevent damage to the thumb loop. If you wanted to get a non-extendable sling of the same design that was just longer, then you'd be fine. If you wanted to get a doubled sling that you can extend, well here's a picture of what happens then:

Runout Customs will do it. I considered it and settled on a 18" reinforced dyneema loop. Tripled over through the thumb loop alpine draw style for racking makes it hang about the same length as a standard cam. Figured a reinforced loop threaded back through the thumb alpine draw style wouldn't have the same effect on the thumb loop as a normal extendable setup if I fell on it without extending it. I don't know that for sure, but it sounded good in my brain, and it looked good when I made a mock up. Almost pulled the trigger, but I decided against it. I carry 10 alpine draws now and figured if I did it to all my cams I'd still have to carry 6 alpine draws for nuts and occasional bolts. Dropping 4 mammut contact 60cm slings and 8 edelrid 19g biners would save a small bit of weight and racking space, but the 18" dyneema slings on all 16 cams I carry on average would also add up in weight and rack clusterfuck. Decided it was a wash and not worth it. Maybe if it was for a very small alpine rack

Consider having a small loop of dyneema or nylon sling added to the existing sling, like a chain. You can clip into either sling.

Dragon cams. You're doing it wrong.

Brian Abram wrote:Almost pulled the trigger, but I decided against it. I carry 10 alpine draws now and figured if I did it to all my cams I'd still have to carry 6 alpine draws for nuts and occasional bolts. Dropping 4 mammut contact 60cm slings and 8 edelrid 19g biners would save a small bit of weight and racking space, but the 18" dyneema slings on all 16 cams I carry on average would also add up in weight and rack clusterfuck. Decided it was a wash and not worth it. Maybe if it was for a very small alpine rack

Pretty solid rationale, I started to get into that idea when I started reading your comment, but it would be a total shit show with little real-world benefit.

MTN tools reslings in the BD double back fashion, they use a dyneema / nylon mix... its also 2ish+ inches longer than the nylon sling that comes standard on BD C4s... makes a difference esp on crack.

They do good work.

Brian Abram wrote:Runout Customs will do it. I considered it and settled on a 18" reinforced dyneema loop. Tripled over through the thumb loop alpine draw style for racking makes it hang about the same length as a standard cam. Figured a reinforced loop threaded back through the thumb alpine draw style wouldn't have the same effect on the thumb loop as a normal extendable setup if I fell on it without extending it. I don't know that for sure, but it sounded good in my brain, and it looked good when I made a mock up. Almost pulled the trigger, but I decided against it. I carry 10 alpine draws now and figured if I did it to all my cams I'd still have to carry 6 alpine draws for nuts and occasional bolts. Dropping 4 mammut contact 60cm slings and 8 edelrid 19g biners would save a small bit of weight and racking space, but the 18" dyneema slings on all 16 cams I carry on average would also add up in weight and rack clusterfuck. Decided it was a wash and not worth it. Maybe if it was for a very small alpine rack

Doing this on 18 cams doesnt make sense, but on a light alpine climbing rack of 8 cams or so makes a lot of sense. For fast and light alpine, this is an incredible weight savings on biners and trad draws.

For hard-core rock routes where it requires lots of gear, the bulk of that many tripled slings on a double set of cams could be a problem.

Medic741 wrote:Dragon cams. You're doing it wrong.

Dragon cams run the sling through metal to prevent that problem.

But why doesnt this happen to other oval-thumb-looped cams? I was hanging on a blue totem which is slung with dyneema (10mm i believe like the photo of the kinked loop C4), and the loop was stretched totally, sides parallel. But no kink after, what's the difference?

Daniel Affsprung wrote:But why doesnt this happen to other oval-thumb-looped cams? I was hanging on a blue totem which is slung with dyneema (10mm i believe like the photo of the kinked loop C4), and the loop was stretched totally, sides parallel. But no kink after, what's the difference?

I've had a few mastercams do this.

Daniel Affsprung wrote:But why doesnt this happen to other oval-thumb-looped cams? I was hanging on a blue totem which is slung with dyneema (10mm i believe like the photo of the kinked loop C4), and the loop was stretched totally, sides parallel. But no kink after, what's the difference?

How the spectra in the picture is double slinged, it creates a choke on the thumb loop cable, creating a pinch point, whereas a single loop displaces better, it pulls but doesn't pinch it. I'm sure someone can explain it better than I can.