So Ill kickstarter

s.price wrote: Your probably right Seb. The Italians never consider fashion when designing shoes.

Is it so hard to not get sucked into the stereotype of Italian's being obsessed with fashion? Any way i have never even seen Italions as a very fashionable bunch, stylish yes but fashionable no, all ways having a reputation with their impeccably tailored suits allowing them to be far more functional, high arm holes, slanted flapless pockets, a tapered fit, no vents and all in all pretty form fitting, as far as function goes this is miles better than traditional american tailoring which had no padding, low arm holes and allot more excess material causing the whole suit to be pretty shapeless (what patagonia used to fit like). Think about it this way
Italian tailoring= Dead bird
Murican tailoring= Patagucci
British tailoring= Mountain Equipment
I know who i would rather make my shoes.
Edit: I just remembered the NASCAR "fashion" of the wildcat, i think fashion is the last thing they had on their mind.

that guy named seb wrote: Is it so hard to not get sucked into the stereotype of Italian's being obsessed with fashion? Any way i have never even seen Italions as a very fashionable bunch, stylish yes but fashionable no, all ways having a reputation with their impeccably tailored suits allowing them to be far more functional, high arm holes, slanted flapless pockets, a tapered fit, no vents and all in all pretty form fitting, as far as function goes this is miles better than traditional american tailoring which had no padding, low arm holes and allot more excess material causing the whole suit to be pretty shapeless (what patagonia used to fit like). Think about it this way Italian tailoring= Dead bird Murican tailoring= Patagucci British tailoring= Mountain Equipment I know who i would rather make my shoes. Edit: I just remembered the NASCAR "fashion" of the wildcat, i think fashion is the last thing they had on their mind.

I thought the dead bird was Canadian.

tsherry wrote: I thought the dead bird was Canadian.

They are, though they with out a doubt have the best tailoring in the industry.

that guy named seb wrote: Is it so hard to not get sucked into the stereotype of Italian's being obsessed with fashion? Any way i have never even seen Italions as a very fashionable bunch, stylish yes but fashionable no, all ways having a reputation with their impeccably tailored suits allowing them to be far more functional, high arm holes, slanted flapless pockets, a tapered fit, no vents and all in all pretty form fitting, as far as function goes this is miles better than traditional american tailoring which had no padding, low arm holes and allot more excess material causing the whole suit to be pretty shapeless (what patagonia used to fit like). Think about it this way Italian tailoring= Dead bird Murican tailoring= Patagucci British tailoring= Mountain Equipment I know who i would rather make my shoes. Edit: I just remembered the NASCAR "fashion" of the wildcat, i think fashion is the last thing they had on their mind.

Seb, you should blog all day... on another site.

that guy named seb wrote: i think you are mixing up fashion and eye catching, there's a big difference, let me show you. Those purple and yellow shoes you speak of, highly doubtful they were trying to appeal to every dirt bags inner fashionista, I think they just want them to stand out on the shelves.

Eye catching + fashion

'Fashion' has such an absurd broad definition and gets used frequently as a catch-all for stuff that one could make the argument both ways. You are only harping on So Ill cause they actually came out and SAID the word fashion. Where literally every product out there has some kind of 'fashion' to it in order to make it more appealing to own. Even if a manufactuer came out with the best harness ever combining perfect comfort, ultralight and stronger than any other; Pretty much no one would buy it if it looked like you were wearing an adult diaper on the outside of your pants... fashion.

Greg J wrote: Eye catching + fashion 'Fashion' has such an absurd broad definition and gets used frequently as a catch-all for stuff that one could make the argument both ways. You are only harping on So Ill cause they actually came out and SAID the word fashion. Where literally every product out there has some kind of 'fashion' to it in order to make it more appealing to own. Even if a manufactuer came out with the best harness ever combining perfect comfort, ultralight and stronger than any other; Pretty much no one would buy it if it looked like you were wearing an adult diaper on the outside of your pants... fashion.

If it climbed well i would, when they actively say they they are balancing fashion and function it's the complete opposite of what people want, people want price, durability and performance, all shoes are made to these 3 points, it takes a special type of stupid to push fashion into the mix and then advertise it.

tsherry wrote:I like the idea of colored rubber, but I just can't see myself wearing anything that says "so ill" on it. So douchey.

Colored rubber is what got me excited about these shoes. It would be cool to see brown, tan, or grey rubber that doesn't mark the rock as much as black rubber soles sometimes do.

Of course, that's all assuming that their colored rubber actually provides good friction. Has anybody tried a pair yet?

rockcarl wrote: Of course, that's all assuming that their colored rubber actually provides good friction.

Color "black" associated with regular rubber is due to carbon black fillers placed during manufacturing process to make rubber last longer (
wiki article )
If one were to dig a bit deeper, some evidence may be found to show that carbon black reduces friction,
enjoy the science

so many bitchy people on here, wahhhh they thought about the colors and looks of the shoe wahhhh they obviously wont spend any time making the shoe work wahhhhhh
for a bunch of hardmen y'all sure act like a bunch of babies...
Especially for something no one has even tried out yet, I'm sure their shoes will climb about as well as the one who wears them. That guy named seb probably maxes out at 5.2 and therefore he can expect them to suck, just like his attitude.

that guy named seb wrote: If it climbed well i would, when they actively say they they are balancing fashion and function it's the complete opposite of what people want, people want price, durability and performance, all shoes are made to these 3 points, it takes a special type of stupid to push fashion into the mix and then advertise it.

Guess there is no point in discussing this with someone with selective reading, so enjoy your opinion no matter how misguided. Not that you will ever actually even try the shoe to see for real. Nothin but armchair reviewin' here.

amarius wrote: Color "black" associated with regular rubber is due to carbon black fillers placed during manufacturing process to make rubber last longer ( wiki article ) If one were to dig a bit deeper, some evidence may be found to show that carbon black reduces friction, enjoy the science

So that begs the question... Why haven't we seen colored rubber as the primary material for climbing shoe soles sooner?

rockcarl wrote: So that begs the question... Why haven't we seen colored rubber as the primary material for climbing shoe soles sooner?

My evolv talons have green rubber on the middle part of the sole (like where the arch is) but the front and heels of the shoe are regular black rubber. The part that's green barely touches anything when I climb though lol.

rockcarl wrote: So that begs the question... Why haven't we seen colored rubber as the primary material for climbing shoe soles sooner?

Or car tires, or bike tires....even for racing and other speciality applications where performance would outweigh durability.

Yeah it does beg the question as to why formula one tires wouldn't be colored.

that guy named seb wrote:Yeah it does beg the question as to why formula one tires wouldn't be colored.

You have to have the carbon structure in that high of a level of stress. But for cycling you don't have anywhere near the forces and heat that you do in auto racing, and every time a colored tire pops up it quickly dies, or is just a surface treatment.

rockcarl wrote: So that begs the question... Why haven't we seen colored rubber as the primary material for climbing shoe soles sooner?

I have seen sportiva miuras with yellow colored soles. a guy had them on a smith.

Edit: And more famously here in this video at 3.53

youtube.com/watch?v=Phl82D5…

Chasing Choss wrote: I have seen sportiva miuras with yellow colored soles. a guy had them on a smith.

Yeah La Sportiva color them yellow when they are testing out new rubber.
Also gearjunkie.com/so-ill-climb… this was kinda cringy to read, especially when they talk of them innovating and bringing somthing drastically new to the market. Fun to read though.

I would love hear how they work in the long run.

Choice in footwear is usually a good thing. Some LS models have been the same now for 18 years.

instagram.com/p/BHAb1A_pcFr/

Greg Redlawsk wrote:So, I feel the need to note - I got the Streets... They fit really well

That is truly exceptional - I've never heard of a climbing shoe model that would fit perfectly well without any sizing adjustments.

amarius wrote: That is truly exceptional - I've never heard of a climbing shoe model that would fit perfectly well without any sizing adjustments.

Yeah. I got lucky on this one, I just predicted the shoe size based on their description and the fact that I like to size just about every shoe down considerably. Worked out for me, though I won't be surprised to hear about plenty for whom the shoes didn't fit at all at first.