Rotating biner instead of a swivel

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Any thoughts? It's lighter, cheaper, and one less part in the system when hauling.

Only rated to 6kn closed. grivel.com/products/rock/ca…. The bd swivel is rated to 26kn.

Be careful as to whether you are comparing WLL or breaking strength. WLL is usually 5x lower, basically throwing in a safety factor.
Edit: looks like what that is a swivel for ice tools, not appropriate for haul duty. My bad.

I use a Rock Exotica swivel biner for my bags. I have had no issues. They are not rated for any strength in bending at the swivel, so don't haul over a sharp edge, duh.

Swivaeye that I use

It looks to be a screw gate not an auto locker. I have found screw gates undo themselves with all the bouncing and spinning a bag suffers, so I won't use it without taping the gate up.

It better be bomber!

You're saving the weight and length of one biner. That's not enough for me to go with an item that isn't totally bomber/idiot proof.

Thanks guys. I'll keep this biner for alpine light pack hauling and use swivel for big wall heavy hauls.

acidbreeze wrote: Any thoughts? It's lighter, cheaper, and one less part in the system when hauling.

You can use those, just use a full strength one. The one pictured is not suitable for critical use. There are several companies that make full strength versions of what you have pictured and they will hold 22kN+. Petzl makes one, I forgot what they call it, but you can find it on their website. Look under their commercial section as I think it's marketed for rope access use. The one Petzl makes uses a triple action auto-locking gate, which is as secure as it gets.

In addition to everything that has been said above, the linked biner does not have bearings. That means it will almost certainly not swivel under load (i.e. with a haul bag).

It isn't a bad idea altogether, though, and it has been done (with bearings) by other companies. They aren't cheap. Efficient and reliable ball bearings are expensive.

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