this is funny,

So, I have a bunch of fixed lines out for TR solo. If you don't like Fixed lines I am sorry. However, they live at an underutilized crag. They out of peoples way for the most part.

its an established ethic that locals fix these routes to TR solo them. its been that way for awhile.

one of my lines had the last 8ft chopped off cleanly with a sharp knife. I had the line tensioned of a cam and a non functional biner. The biner was taken, however the quickdraw and the fixed nut were left alone.

any takers on what happened? seems awfully vindictive for someone to chop it...

I am not looking for anything out of this really. its just weird.

Definitely odd, i'll keep my eyes and ear out.

Dude, leaving your ropes on the wall as an eye sore? Not cool. Just because you think it's underutilized doesn't mean there aren't people that actually go to the area and enjoy the scenery. Don't be lazy, pack it in, pack it out.

Dan L wrote:Dude, leaving your ropes on the wall as an eye sore? Not cool. Just because you think it's underutilized doesn't mean there aren't people that actually go to the area and enjoy the scenery. Don't be lazy, pack it in, pack it out.

Generally I agree but if his statement is accurate and there is, in fact, "an established ethic that locals fix these routes to TR solo them", that would usually means it's OK.

For example, I have a fixed line in the backwoods of Vermont right now and while it's a pretty staunch pack in, pack out state, I'd be downright shocked if someone found it let along complained.

Point is, there are exceptions to almost every "rule" and this seems like it could be one of those.

Maybe someone was passing by with their crag dog. He could see that the dog was looking to take a dump and the owner didn't have a poop bag. The dog was a bad dog and would not come when called and the owner didn't have a leash. He spied your fixed line and decided to cut it in order to fashion a leash for his bad dog so he could drag him away before he dumped a fat one right under your route. I'd say just be glad there wasn't a big turd stinking up your route.

Like I said just putting it out there.

Dan l, really you never use fixed lines? Ever?

I had no idea that it was even possible to do so.

The ethic in Zion is to fix. New routes get fixed, established routes get fixed. So if my ropes live out there for the benefit of the year round community, what's the problem?

I am just surprised that a route developer is giving out flak for what is common in route development. You lead every pitch every time and haul? Sounds exhausting.

I don't apreciate being called lazy. For the sake of you cheap shot to stroke your ego.

It is customary to leave a fixed line when aid climbing. That is accepted as part of the program.. especially on the longer routes so you can fix a pitch or two the afternoon before... then at dawn fire up the route. Not sure on the concensus on leaving lines hanging for long periods for TR... might be seen in a different light for most climbers......