Route name: Negro Girls

Roy Suggett wrote:Yes, he or she did have the right. We might not approve of their choice but in a free speech country we can try and educate them toward more sensitivity (free speech) while at the same time not disparaging them and their right to title their line (free speech). Oh, and we could also not climb that route.

Read the poem, then bow down in the glory of my troll.

frank minunni wrote: Owen Really? Are you so weak minded and whiny that someone's actions, 20 years ago ruined your experience? You couldn't, even if the intent was racist, put that aside and enjoy the formation? I'm a pretty liberal guy, but weeping over something like this for "day/month and every subsequent thought" sounds self absorbed. As for changing route names, I actually asked Mike about changing the name of Greaseballs and Junglebunnies and he flatly refused. He feels like we were having fun at our own expense and it was a good time in our lives. And I'm not the black guy.

Frank, some climbers here, so impassioned by their own personal climbing "ethics" will (after loudly professing online) go out to the climbs in question with a crowbar and physically break off bolts that the FA approved. They are not just changing words, they are breaking away the actual rock itself. Now THAT is "self absorbed". They are also in effect putting a veto on the FA.

Frank, where is this climb you keep mentioning Greaseballs & JB? I can't seem to find it listed ANYWHERE on this website or...anywhere.

owen david wrote: Frank, some climbers here, so impassioned by their own personal climbing "ethics" will (after loudly professing online) go out to the climbs in question with a crowbar and physically break off bolts that the FA approved. They are not just changing words, they are breaking away the actual rock itself. Now THAT is "self absorbed". They are also in effect putting a veto on the FA.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the current topic. But there are many ways to be self-absorbed. Can't say I'm immune to it all the time myself. If I hadn't explained the reason for our route names, you would be equally affronted. Maybe you still are. But the intentions were light hearted. And they were also done at a time when PC wasn't taken quite so seriously.

frank minunni wrote: I'm not sure what that has to do with the current topic. But there are many ways to be self-absorbed. Can't say I'm immune to it all the time myself. If I hadn't explained the reason for our route names, you would be equally affronted. Maybe you still are. But the intentions were light hearted. And they were also done at a time when PC wasn't taken quite so seriously.

Send me a link to this climb you keep professing, Greaseballs & JB. Is it listed here on MP? Your whole argument seems to rest on the name of the climb, yet it's not listed on any climbing sites?

owen david wrote: Send me a link to this climb you keep professing, Greaseballs & JB. Is it listed here on MP? Your whole argument seems to rest on the name of the climb, yet it's not listed on any climbing sites?

The route is in Lost City in the Gunks, ergo no info posting due to tradition. And does it really matter where it is, how hard or how good? That's not what the post is about. If you're questioning if the routes exist, John Strand commented on one earlier.

K Swisher wrote:A partner and I named a route Redneck on a Rope because we're both Rednecks. I hope it hasn't ruined anyone's month. But then again, it's actually PC to make fun of Rednecks.

You guys give rednecks a bad name. And how the fuck is a half Japanese dude a redneck anyway?

Haha, ok, maybe the yellow tint makes me an Orangeneck. But Sid is definitely all Redneck.

Everybody should look into the original names for routes at City of Rocks at the pre-teen sex wall...now THOSE names were pretty awesome !

owen david wrote: Send me a link to this climb you keep professing, Greaseballs & JB. Is it listed here on MP? Your whole argument seems to rest on the name of the climb, yet it's not listed on any climbing sites?

owen DAVID..... There are tons of climbs that are not listed on MP... Just a FYI.

you sure seem to be pretty thin skinned....

john strand wrote:Everybody should look into the original names for routes at City of Rocks at the pre-teen sex wall...now THOSE names were pretty awesome !

You have no idea the route names I've come up with that were nixed as being too offensive to somebody. lol

There's a certain Bonnie Prudden route in the Gunks that comes to mind as well.

i'm listening to the Stones "some girls" right now...what a song

They renamed it Kibbles and Bits???? Weak!!!!!!

christopher adams wrote:I love it when white men think they get to decide when something is offensive and when it's not.

owen david wrote: Exactly, EXACTLY.

lol

People need to lighten up. Being PC perpetuates racism. By being delicate around somebodies race/religion/ethnicity you are entrenching the division. Division is broken down by being upfront about things.

New Zealand is a multicultural place. They're happy to laugh at differences and all be friends too. Bro'town is a mainstream TV show over there. Words like whitey, blacky, curry-muncher are used...

youtube.com/watch?v=a5HAa6s…

Is no one is going to touch on the problematic word girls?

By referring to girls it's clearly ageist. By repeating the theme of youthfulness this and other route names helps contribute to a culture in climbing that prizes youth and creates a hostile and oppressive environment for older climbers. It is also sexist and misogynistic, as it perpetuates the idea that women are objects of which men then aim to claim victory over.

I don't take that view, but I can think of some who would.

r m wrote:It is also sexist and misogynistic, as it perpetuates the idea that women are objects of which men then aim to claim victory over.

Funny - I've been thinking for a while now that, if asked, I would have said my general "hot button" is offensive material about girls / women ... something I suspect has something to do with having grown up with just a Mom and five sisters.

... not that I'm pure ...

Peace.

frank minunni wrote: You have no idea the route names I've come up with that were nixed as being too offensive to somebody. lol

This is soo true, it was a point of pride to match wits with Munnini only Gottlieb was more what to call it ......beyond the pale?
So blue
EDIT ;*8 pages!! and no really bad word names?
The Moisturizer, (I'm not gonna go there) then there was the Moilel, the circumsisor ?
come on Frank,
lay em on us there were some truly rude ones ,
infant immolation?,

Christian wrote: There's a very famous (and damn good) 1959 French movie called "Black Orpheus". Set in my home town, so I'm biased of course. youtube.com/watch?v=NkxGkL7…

Racist

Paul Hutton wrote: Search results show that it's a heavy metal band.

Racist

Mut wrote: Racist

Thanks for catching my deviation and getting me back on track.