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ViperScale wrote:I would call it 4th or 5.0. The problem is most ladders are short so don't require protection but if you were to go up a 500ft ladder you would be protecting it.Running laps on a 400ft ladder isnt to hard. your hands get tired but mainly just from the same stupid motion. 5th class is technical climbing. There is nothing technical about a ladder it is 4th class because a fall would be serious and you do need your hands. Either way a ladder will be better general conditioning then sitting on you butt. |
PosiDave wrote: Running laps on a 400ft ladder isnt to hard. your hands get tired but mainly just from the same stupid motion. 5th class is technical climbing. There is nothing technical about a ladder it is 4th class because a fall would be serious and you do need your hands. Either way a ladder will be better general conditioning then sitting on you butt.Going back to how it is defined above. 5th class - steep rock climbing where the leader must place intermediate protection, and in case of a fall, the intermediate protection would catch the leader (who will fall twice as far as the distance above the last piece of protection). A ladder is pure vertical climbing, is it easy? Sure it is easy but it doesn't say anything there about having to have a certain degree of technical climbing. I don't see a difference between climbing a ladder and climbing a 5.2 route outdoors to be honest. The only difference between the 2 is a ladder has the same move over and over again and the route likely has slightly different moves. However I call them both 5th class because a sudden wind gust without your hand on the "wall" (ladder) would likely blow most people off. Anything that you can't pretty much rest every other move without hands is what I consider 5th class (yes there is exceptions to this I have done chimneys). Most 3rd / 4th class climbing you can pretty much stop and sit every other move. (not really the way the text is written for the grade but when you read 3rd class it is generally what you find) If you go back to how they define 4th class - steeper scrambling on small holds, ropes are needed for most people, but an experienced climber would normally climb an entire rope length without intermediate protection, then set an anchor and belay other climbers up. Inexperienced people may not be skilled enough to ascend even when belayed from above. Than that means everything I have ever climbed outdoor that was a 5.5 or easier isn't but a 4th class (including the ones I climbed in yosemite itself). The problem is it really varies based on the person climbing. They should make it simplify it down to 4 levels. 1) Flat hiking (slope less than x degree), 2) Steep hiking no real risk of falling (staircase), 3) climb with very low risk of death but may need hands in areas, 4) a fall has a chance of serious injury or death. Really to be honest there is probably alot of 5.5-5.0 routes that should be 4th class if you go off of 5th class being "technical climbing" because most routes 5.5 and under can be done with no real climbing experience. |
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There's a M.A. or Ph.D. in here somewhere... |
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Do I have a problem if I can climb a 5.12a but can't climb a ladder? (honest here I won't climb ladders) |
