the evolution of the camalot..
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Gunkiemike wrote: One piece plastic stem thingie = Gen 2Does this apply to the #1 and larger 2nd gens too? I know the .75 and smaller fits your description, but for some reason I am thinking they used a different design on the #1 and larger than they did on the .75 and smaller. I am thinking they used the U stem on the smaller units and the single stem on the larger units for the 2nd gen. |
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20 kN wrote: Does this apply to the #1 and larger 2nd gens too? I know the .75 and smaller fits your description, but for some reason I am thinking they used a different design on the #1 and larger than they did on the .75 and smaller. I am thinking they used the U stem on the smaller units and the single stem on the larger units for the 2nd gen.Let me try to clarify. The Chouinard Camalots (Gen 1) had a 3-part plastic cover over the cable U stem - two straight tubes and a cylindrical cross piece; see Adam Stackhouse's #3 near the top of this thread. The loop at the end of the cable was not covered and can not be covered with a sling b/c it will cut the sling. The Gen 2 replaced these 3 pieces with a single molded piece; see Jay Shultis' photo upthread (his caption is incorrect). The Gen 3 introduced the single stem and sewn sling. There were actually a couple versions of Gen 3, as a small bump was added to the stem cover to limit forward movement of the trigger bar. The .5 and .75 units were originally called Camalot Juniors, and they were U frame with a plastic cover over the cable that permitted a sewn sling. I'm not sure but I think these sizes went single stem only when the smaller sizes ("Micro Camalots", arguably the least successful versions of the brand) came out. |
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Cool historical pics.......what about the future of Camalots? Can someone blend a camalot logo on a Totem Cam? |
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Gunkiemike wrote: Let me try to clarify. The Chouinard Camalots (Gen 1) had a 3-part plastic cover over the cable U stem - two straight tubes and a cylindrical cross piece; see Adam Stackhouse's #3 near the top of this thread. The loop at the end of the cable was not covered and can not be covered with a sling b/c it will cut the sling. The Gen 2 replaced these 3 pieces with a single molded piece; see Jay Shultis' photo upthread (his caption is incorrect). The Gen 3 introduced the single stem and sewn sling. There were actually a couple versions of Gen 3, as a small bump was added to the stem cover to limit forward movement of the trigger bar. The .5 and .75 units were originally called Camalot Juniors, and they were U frame with a plastic cover over the cable that permitted a sewn sling. I'm not sure but I think these sizes went single stem only when the smaller sizes ("Micro Camalots", arguably the least successful versions of the brand) came out.Ah, so the only difference between the gen one and gen two is that the gen one has a three-piece cover on the wire and the gen two has a one-piece cover? |
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photo of the earlier three-piece cover |
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20 kN wrote:Ah, so the only difference between the gen one and gen two is that the gen one has a three-piece cover on the wire and the gen two has a one-piece cover?That's about it AFAIK. Plus one was branded Chouinard and the other Black Diamond. I suspect the fatigue cracking issue was significantly improved during that timeframe (but I don't have any evidence to back that up). |
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Gunkiemike wrote: Plus one was branded Chouinard and the other Black Diamond.Both Chouinard and BD had the Gen 2 cam. Evolution is a fact. Woot- Why are you trying to derail the thread? Everyone so far has stayed on topic, possibly a record. This isn't the Totems are rad and I climbed El Cap 93 times thread. This is the "the evolution of the camalot" thread. |
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Anyone know the dates when BD came out with each of the generations? I'm wondering specifically when the #3.5,4,4.5,5 changed to #4,#5,#6. |
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They adjusted the larger sizes (above 3s) when they went from Gen 3 with the metal stem to the Gen 4 C4s with the plastic stem and thumb loop |
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Steve0 wrote: Have they always been double axle? Yes. |
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Jason Todd wrote: Plus one was branded Chouinard and the other Black Diamond. Both Chouinard and BD had the Gen 2 cam. Woot- Why are you trying to derail the thread? Everyone so far has stayed on topic, possibly a record. This isn't the Totems are rad and I climbed El Cap 93 times thread. This is the "the evolution of the camalot" thread. All right, so I have a question. I've seen two versions of the third generation BD Camalot, does anyone have any information about them? Here are some pictures for comparison, including serial numbers. |
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Post up the thumb rest question again here: |