Why not a reddit-style arrangement for the forum?

Comanche wrote:I have to agree with the people that support a voting system. Kent, was it really necessary to copy and paste that??? The discussion is not about actual content its about a system. People who argue against updating the comment system (I'm not saying the reddit system necessarily but some type of upgrade) are probably the same people who would argue flip phones are better...

i gave plenty of valid reasons not to use the reddit system on the last page. and none of the pro-circlejerk people have responded. i've used reddit for 6 years or so, before it turned into a garbage pile.

This forum deterioration is a perfect example of what I am talking about. This thread is just annoying now.

he said she said, quote this and that...

grog m wrote:This forum deterioration is a perfect example of what I am talking about. This thread is just annoying now. he said she said, quote this and that...

Barely two pages in and valid support for both sides of the argument. You should post this thread to r/climbing and challenge your community to come over here and see how much fun th(we)ey can have with the topic. I think this is going great.

Kent Richards wrote: Ok, cool. I went to reddit.com/r/climbing and found the following thread in 11th position on the page (comments copy-pasted in the order found). Where do I find the "sort through the bullshit" button?

=)

Derek Jf wrote: Barely two pages in and valid support for both sides of the argument. You should post this thread to r/climbing and challenge your community to come over here and see how much fun th(we)ey can have with the topic. I think this is going great. =)

No way, this is going horrible because there isn't universal support for a reddit style forum. If we were on reddit I could just get everyone I know to upvote all the supporters and downvote all of the non-supporters and get the answer I want.

At the top of the pile: "Take your shirt off immediately."

It'd be a wonder if they have the ability to procreate in a reasonable way over there.

Edit to add: The posts eventually get to some good advice. Still, that example doesn't seem to highlight the benefit of the system.

Mark E Dixon wrote: Now I've got two people voting me down! Wish I was old enough for ST.

I am up-voting you Mark, don't worry haha

Trigger warning for the squeamish- something really offensive may happen three posts from now.

seriously guys, can we discuss boards.4chan.org/asp/ and how it is such a perfectly designed forum that is being underutilized for discussing rockclimnbing?

Andrew Wood wrote:seriously guys, can we discuss boards.4chan.org/asp/ and how it is such a perfectly designed forum that is being underutilized for discussing rockclimnbing?

OMG that UI sucks! Reddit is only marginally better.

Nick Votto wrote: I am up-voting you Mark, don't worry haha

3 up votes-

My shirt is coming off!!!!



Good thing I'm wearing a helmet- look where my left leg is!

I was pushing the Reddit thing too adamantly. BUT, the internet has evolved a lot since this style of forum. There are better ways to do and I think people should be open minded to considering other options. This style is without a doubt antiquated. I know this community is particularly stubborn about change but seriously, the way these threads work is terrible.

Again I agree with Grog. Those who oppose ANY changes at all are stubborn people who still use flip phones, deny global warming, and think grigri 1's are the best belay device.

Mark itss hilarious that your profile picture is you pulling plastic and you have photos like that. Scrubadubdub

Kent Richards wrote: The pasted content demonstrates a failure of the reddit system to cut through the bullshit. The point was not the content, but rather the weighting of the content -- i.e., the system. Grog m said "go to reddit and see." That's what I saw when I went to reddit: plenty of bullshit with no "cutting through action" happening. So, yes, it was necessary to copy and paste it.

And yet that is what some people on page 1 were worried about....losing the "entertainment" aspect of mp. See, it's still there.

I'm sure a reddit style of thread organization could be adopted without the automatic removal of highly downvoted comments, in case you want to read them. As for big companies swarming the forum with accounts intended to promote their products, this already happens here occasionally and is dealt with pretty well by the mods.

With a tinkering of the code, I think comments containing even an inkling of merit will not be buried or removed. Virtually all comments within a reddit thread are retained. You just have to expand the subconversations within the threads with a single click. Pretty simple IMO.

Comanche wrote:Those who oppose ANY changes at all are stubborn people who still use flip phones, deny global warming, and think grigri 1's are the best belay device.

Thats your second attempt at a flip phone joke in one thread.... you are the unfunny. It hurts.
Picturing you laughing to yourself about making a flip phone joke got me to petty laugh. I hate it.
Go to bed.

grog m wrote:I was pushing the Reddit thing too adamantly. BUT, the internet has evolved a lot since this style of forum. There are better ways to do and I think people should be open minded to considering other options. This style is without a doubt antiquated. I know this community is particularly stubborn about change but seriously, the way these threads work is terrible.

I'm certainly not stubborn about a change to the forums, as long as it's for the better. But I took your "reddit challenge" and I thought it was awful. The voting concept is also a pretty terrible idea, for reasons already laid out by other posters on this thread.

JL

Factoring in popularity into the visibility of comments?

Sounds like a great way to create an echo chamber of popular opinion.

Popularity has little correlation to worth. Keep in mind the biggest group of climbers in the world today are going to be gym climbers. Hypothetically, how would you feel about a forum where opinions that gym climbers agree with most were the ones most promoted?

Maybe MP would avoid that fate because of the more mountaineering focus, I'm not sure what the demographic of MP users are. Certainly some predominantly gym climbers post here (...Me!).

Doug Lintz wrote:Virtually all comments within a reddit thread are retained. You just have to expand the subconversations within the threads with a single click. Pretty simple IMO.

Yep, even more dicking around with managing the user interface instead of getting to the content - just what I want to do. My goal here is to read stuff, not keep clicking on UI elements to expand/collapse/etc.

r m wrote:Factoring in popularity into the visibility of comments? Sounds like a great way to create an echo chamber of popular opinion. Popularity has little correlation to worth. Keep in mind the biggest group of climbers in the world today are going to be gym climbers. Hypothetically, how would you feel about a forum where opinions that gym climbers agree with most were the ones most promoted? Maybe MP would avoid that fate because of the more mountaineering focus, I'm not sure what the demographic of MP users are. Certainly some predominantly gym climbers post here (...Me!).

No way man, I have found the current crop of Ninja Warriors streaming into the gym to be extremely knowledgeable.

I have a lot of time at work to read through the forums and what I see is most of them devolve very quickly. There just aren't lots of constructive threads on here that last very long. Most of them quickly become a personal battle within a page or two. The current forum setup really supports people being assholes, myself included. It isn't a horrible set up but most threads are the same circlejerk over and over. I really encourage people to consider a change, even a small one.

grog m wrote:I have a lot of time at work to read through the forums and what I see is most of them devolve very quickly. There just aren't lots of constructive threads on here that last very long. Most of them quickly become a personal battle within a page or two. The current forum setup really supports people being assholes, myself included. It isn't a horrible set up but most threads are the same circlejerk over and over. I really encourage people to consider a change, even a small one.

What would you consider constructive?

Seems like most threads that ask a specific question (e.g. what's the beta on some place, or how do I do this certain procedure) get a reasonable number of answers. Then the threads die or morph.

Threads that are opinion based right from the start, well how constructive are they going to be, no matter what format?

Honestly, there isn't that much about climbing that deserves talking about anyway. Not that that stops me.