Montana murder suspect charged for 2013 Ten Sleep Canyon shooting
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USBRIT wrote: I imagine its quite difficult to shoot people without a gun.By your logic, Vermont should be the most dangerous state in the country, since it has essentially no gun regulation, and places like Detroit, Washington DC, and New York City should be much safer, since they have effectively banned all gun ownership. |
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Matt Wilson wrote: By your logic, Vermont should be the most dangerous state in the country, since it has essentially no gun regulation, and places like Detroit, Washington DC, and New York City should be much safer, since they have effectively banned all gun ownership.The thing is, people on the streets of New York are killed with guns bought in the states like Vermont. That's the frustration NYC mayors have had with gun laws in this country. |
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USBRIT wrote:Overall its a silly redneck type question.I keep reading this in my best British accent...and it makes me chuckle every time. "How does one overthrow the government, gub'ner?" --- says the Canadian. "Well, that's a silly, redneck sort of question." --- says the USBRIT. "(birds chirping)" Fantastic troll by Paul, though. Sorry for the victims here. Sorry the perp seems to have much trouble heading his way. Seems no winners. |
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UncleBen wrote: I keep reading this in my best British accent...and it makes me chuckle every time. "How does one overthrow the government, gub'ner?" --- says the Canadian. "Well, that's a silly, redneck sort of question." --- says the USBRIT. "(birds chirping)"Ah that is good. Its more likely that the conversation would go something like this: "Well, how does one overthrow the government you loyalist hoser?" "You must be dead from the shoulders up, you silly daft of a man. What a ridiculous sort of queston." |
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Of course there is no solution to gun problems in the USA... Its still is and always will be the Wild Wild West..Just keep your head down.!!! |
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There will never be a solution to the gun problem in the U.S.A., just as there has never been a solution to the rock, stick, sword, bow and arrow, metal object issues throughout history and worldwide. |
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Sorry if I'm derailing the gun control debate here, but I remember when this first became news that the climber who was shot was hit with huge medical bills (~$50k). Just curious if anyone knew if he was still struggling to pay it off or had gotten help. Recently some of the survivors and victims' families of mass shootings have received significant sums of money under a federal grant for victims. Now that the shooting in question was definitely a malicious act and not an accident maybe he is eligible to receive assistance? |
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will ar wrote:Sorry if I'm derailing the gun control debate here, but I remember when this first became news that the climber who was shot was hit with huge medical bills (~$50k). Just curious if anyone knew if he was still struggling to pay it off or had gotten help. Recently some of the survivors and victims' families of mass shootings have received significant sums of money under a federal grant for victims. Now that the shooting in question was definitely a malicious act and not an accident maybe he is eligible to receive assistance?The gentleman shot was from outta the country so I doubt he's able to get any of that money. But.. The government gives money to anybody who doesn't wanna get it on their own so I wouldn't be surprised if there's something out there. |
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Bill Kirby wrote: But.. The government gives money to anybody who doesn't wanna get it on their own so I wouldn't be surprised if there's something out there.haha that's a can of worms right there!!! |
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doligo wrote: The thing is, people on the streets of New York are killed with guns bought in the states like Vermont. That's the frustration NYC mayors have had with gun laws in this country.Man you'd think they would pass a law banning people from buying guns underground like that. Or better yet, cut to the chase and just make it illegal to murder people. I mean, it's just a matter of passing the right laws, right? |
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powhound84 wrote: I don't care what any dirtbaggers think about my stance on government aid. If you don't contribute, your opinion doesn't matter.and what makes you think your opinion matters to anyone? |
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fruitloop wrote: and what makes you think your opinion matters to anyone?Perhaps it was the guy arguing with him about his opinion, perhaps that tipped him off. |
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Tim Lutz wrote:wow, harsh toke broski. I would think the long history of good ol Murikan dirtbaggers would disagree with your stance as well. Hope you find some relief from your nausea... Maybe try focusing on the 1% of humans that hold onto 80% of the wealth while smacking the environment around and sucking it dry of resources. That makes me puke.I am going to assume you do your part of not handing more money to the 1% by, for example, not shopping at large chains, not purchasing a vehicles new, not paying for a high speed internet connection, not buying gasoline, etc? |
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I guess we are now on a different subject .. Non working climbers (sometimes call dirtbags by the more conservative members of the sport) . In my long history of climbing with and knowing many such climbers there are mainly two different reasons they can climb and not work.This is not taking into consideration the current help of sponsorship that makes life very easy for these lucky climbers if they have some talent they will become well known and with big reputations due lots of publicity provided by their sponsors and of course they do not work a 9 to 5 job.. |
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I've heard the argument before that the more people armed, the safer everyone is because it acts as a deterrent and in the case of an actual event the general population is equipped to deal with it. This may seem logical on some level and is a similar approach that countries have taken with respect to nuclear arms. |
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Climbing friend, |
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Aleks Zebastian wrote:Climbing friend, May I ask how you would be defending yourself in this country against, armed, drunk, crazy and predatory rednecks when climbing in rural area? In Norway this is not so much of problem. Climbing friend dong, you say your post quite well, myah?rneck2 |
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Long Duk Dong wrote:I think it is unrealistic to think an average person could handle that situation at all effectively. It takes a tremendous amount of training and experience for police or military to become able to engage these situations.This is actually why the police tend to be really bad shots (the all too common "$deadCriminal$ was hit 8 times. Police fired their weapons a total of 120 times" line in a news story). Not because they don't train, but because that situation is really hard to deal with even for (ostensibly) trained professionals. That fact is the main reason I don't own firearms for self-defense. The time- and resource-cost of training is actually greater than the opportunity-cost of simply not going to dangerous places, and the expectation value of the return on investment (e.g. take your average life-insurance pay-out and multiply that by the odds of it actually happening) is still less than the cost of training. Its simply not worth it to me to get to a point where shooting the thing is more effective (and less likely to cause collateral damage) than throwing it. |
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Long Duk Dong wrote: Take the Aurora shooting for example.Why take the radical exception as an example? Most gun deaths are not murders, they are suicides. (64%) As for the rest, gang murders are much more common than mass shootings, and simple handguns are the weapon, not automatics or semi automatics. "Mass shootings" are a statistical anomaly accounting for a fraction of a percent. More people are beat to death with blunt objects anually than are killed by "assault weapons." Trying to work out anything using Aurora as an example will get you nowhere because it is nonsense. But if you insist, I will invite you to find me an example of the horror of which you speak, whereas a civilian opens fire in defense in the fog/haze and kills even more folks. The opposite has however happened. I won't bother with details though because it doesn't matter. The media sensations are just that because they are rare. I can't make an example of that any better than can you. This post is intended to educate anyone who is actually interested in the truth. In other words, I doubt if anyone cares. |
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Tony B wrote: In other words, I doubt if anyone cares.If nobody cared. there would not be such heated discourse about the subject on a climbing forum. The reality is, you can argue either side (or the middle ground) on some issues (such as guns) endlessly and most people are alreday set in their opinions & facts/statistics/other opinions will never change their minds. Doesn't mean nobody cares though it often seems futile to argue about it. |