Please remove the climber register from High Wire (Clear Creek Canyon)
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I objected to this when it went in but was told it was put in place to track usage and it was REALLY IMPORTANT. I actually stopped and checked the register this week and found loads of sign in sheets dating back to January 2014! Still in the box... |
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Mike Morin now works with the Access Fund, not Jeffco. I don't think the registers have value either. |
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Here is the original post from 2013: |
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Matt Pierce wrote:Here is the original post from 2013: mountainproject.com/v/clear… Seriously - leave no trace - clearly nothing happened with this (except to maybe pad Mike's resume - sorry Mike) Circle back and remove these please...oh and listen next time someone from the climbing community objects to stupid ideas...So you don't mind the tunnel through the hillside, or the screaming jake brakes of passing trucks, or the 300 bolts in the crag or the beaten down social trails, but a register is so outrageous that you feel the need to insult the land management agency and the former climbing ranger? A person who has probably done more for climbing access in CCC than you ever have or ever will? Why don't you try growing up? |
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Mark E Dixon wrote: So you don't mind the tunnel through the hillside, or the screaming jake brakes of passing trucks, or the 300 bolts in the cragI do - but exactly what would you like me to do about the casino buses clogging the canyon? I do mind them but there is clearly nothing to be done there... Mark E Dixon wrote:or the beaten down social trailssocial trails? explain that one. As we all know there is very little "trail" between the High Wire crag and the creek... Mark E Dixon wrote:but a register is so outrageous that you feel the need to insult the land management agency and the former climbing ranger? A person who has probably done more for climbing access in CCC than you ever have or ever will? Why don't you try growing up?Leave no trace Mark - this was clearly a fucking stupid idea and led to absolutely no improvements at High Wire - Oh and the "gym signage" at Canal Zone...if you call those improvements then someone needs to grow up here but it aint me dude... |
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Matt Pierce wrote: I do - but exactly what would you like me to do about the casino buses clogging the canyon? I do mind them but there is clearly nothing to be done there... social trails? explain that one. As we all know there is very little "trail" between the High Wire crag and the creek... Leave no trace Mark - this was clearly a fucking stupid idea and led to absolutely no improvements at High Wire - Oh and the "gym signage" at Canal Zone...if you call those improvements then someone needs to grow up here but it aint me dude...You know, I don't care if we lose access to High Wire and the Canal Zone. Not crags that interest me much. If you think entitled, expletive laced whining on a climbing forum is going to get you the results you seek, go for it. |
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I hear they used a drone to put the register up there. |
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Mike Morin has spent more time helping build and |
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Steve Williams wrote:Mike Morin has spent more time helping build and maintain trails to climbing areas (as have many of his old co-workers at Jeffco Open Space). . .+1 |
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"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." |
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I didn't know Mike didn't work there anymore (obviously). And honestly, how well was the implemented "government" program if it barely got off the ground and appears to have been abandoned right after it started... |
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Matt Pierce wrote: I am just asking that the registers be removed.That's not what I saw here: Matt Pierce wrote: Seriously - leave no trace - clearly nothing happened with this (except to maybe pad Mike's resume - sorry Mike)Can you see a difference there? Matt Pierce wrote: ...oh and listen next time someone from the climbing community objects to stupid ideas...Sustaining a boner for someone for 27 months is probably an indication of a medical condition. You should see your physician for advice. I see that Doctor Mark Dixon has offered you some already. Sounds good. Oh, and I think Mike did listen to the community. Most thanked him for his efforts. Note the comments from the OTHER land manager (McHugh) that commented. Glad to hear you are tossing a few bucks into the stewardship of crags. Get even more involved, and put in your time and effort into trying to keep places open and accessible. Be civil and get involved with land managers. At that point you'll probably understand a lot more about what is going on and why. Could this thing come down? Probably so. Did you pursue the most effective avenue to make that happen? No. Did you understand the original purpose or know what WAS accomplished by this? Clearly not. |
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I also thought this was a great idea initially, and am a bit disappointed to learn that it hasn't been followed through (at least as far as you can see). But seriously, no need to go all taco all over the goddamn place. |
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Matt Pierce wrote:... No reason for stupid personal attacks...i agree, you have no reason for your stupid personal attacks... |
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I think the registers are quite valuable. The one at wall of the 90's has lost keys, tampons, abducted people notes and lots of other great stuff. And, if you want to permanently register you can scratch your name in the case. |
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Greg D wrote: Mark, you may want to rethink your selfish comment about not caring if they close this crag or Canal Zone since you don't climb there. Are you too sexy for these super popular crags. They are some of the highest use crags in the canyon. Denied access to any crag could set a precedence and someday affect your favorite crag.You are absolutely right, and my wife already straightened me out on this issue. In fact, I think almost all the routes at CZ and many of the routes at Highwire are really good. I just don't adapt to a circus atmosphere as well as I used to do. |
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Mark E Dixon wrote: You are absolutely right, and my wife already straightened me out on this issue. In fact, I think almost all the routes at CZ and many of the routes at Highwire are really good. I just don't adapt to a circus atmosphere as well as I used to do.I climb there all the time with no crowds on weekends. Just have to know when to go... |
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Sustaining a boner for someone for 27 months is probably an indication of a medical condition. You should see your physician for advice. I see that Doctor Mark Dixon has offered you some already. |
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Guess I'm still learning how to quote. My first part was a quote from Tony B. It was awesome. |
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Jason Cannan wrote: Guess I'm still learning how to quote.I thikn I recall it has something to do with the text and spacing. It has done that to me before. You have to leave the margins alone or sometimes it won't recognize it as a quote. |
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Greg D wrote:I think the registers are quite valuable. The one at wall of the 90's has lost keys, tampons, abducted people notes and lots of other great stuff. And, if you want to permanently register you can scratch your name in the case.I'm planning to take along a big trash bag next time I go to the 90s, so if you want your abducted people notes or whatever, better grab them quick. |