Non-Climbing Day Exercise
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Other thoughts w/ regard to swimming. |
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climbing friend, |
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JWatt wrote: Bro. Do you even hangboard?Climbing friend bro, Do you even flash? |
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highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion wrote: Water is cold. If you're cold a lot, your body will retain more fat. Plain and simple. In college and olympics, you don't see it, they're all ripped. In high school though, you'll see pudgy kids swimming 53 second 100 free, no doubt in shape, but his body has no reason to lean up in the low gravity and cold environment. So yeah, if you do swim, keep it short and go easy on the donuts.I remembered reading a research study about shivering that contradicts your explanation above. I recommend reading the article on the link below. It's interesting stuff. -Joe "Body fat mass of the cold group significantly decreased at week 6 compared with week 0 (5.2% ± 1.9% change, P < 0.05), whereas body weight and fat-free mass did not change significantly (Figure 3A). In contrast, in the control group, there was no significant change in these parameters. During the 6-week period, body fat mass decreased more in the cold group than in the control group (0.70 ± 0.23 vs. 0.03 ± 0.21 kg, P < 0.05; Figure 3C). The change in body fat mass was inversely correlated with that in BAT activity (r = 0.62, P < 0.01; Figure 3F) and insignificantly with that in CIT (r = 0.43, P = 0.08; Figure 3H), which suggests that increased BAT leads to body fat reduction." jci.org/articles/31505 Recruited brown adipose tissue as an antiobesity agent in humans |
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Joe Coover wrote: I remembered reading a research study about shivering that contradicts your explanation above. I recommend reading the article on the link below. It's interesting stuff. -Joe "Body fat mass of the cold group significantly decreased at week 6 compared with week 0 (5.2% ± 1.9% change, P < 0.05), whereas body weight and fat-free mass did not change significantly (Figure 3A). In contrast, in the control group, there was no significant change in these parameters. During the 6-week period, body fat mass decreased more in the cold group than in the control group (0.70 ± 0.23 vs. 0.03 ± 0.21 kg, P < 0.05; Figure 3C). The change in body fat mass was inversely correlated with that in BAT activity (r = 0.62, P < 0.01; Figure 3F) and insignificantly with that in CIT (r = 0.43, P = 0.08; Figure 3H), which suggests that increased BAT leads to body fat reduction." jci.org/articles/31505 Recruited brown adipose tissue as an antiobesity agent in humansYou know, I think I already knew that and just wasn't thinking of that. Fair enough, I can throw out the cold theory. After all, you need to raise your metabolism to stay warmer, good job calling me out on that. What about the other half, that water dramatically reduces your fight against gravity? Therefore, a swimmer can still be pretty damn fast (though not elite) with higher body fat? So maybe I don't know the reason but I do know swimmers. Swimmers can be awfully fast and overweight. They aren't usually fat. I'm talking about rolls on the belly, chubby arms, and chubby legs. I have no doubt that the swimmer is very strong underneath all that but doesn't have the definition of a well trained wrestler or climber or gymnast. I'd love to see an analysis of varsity HS swimmers who only do one sport vs varsity HS wrestlers or gymnasts who only do one sport. |
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BASE! Great for the abs! |
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Swimming can be great, but it can also add to climbing issues. Both use the pecs and lats a lot, pulling the shoulders in, reducing ROM and setting up an internally rotated imbalance that can lead to injury, or at least limited movement. |
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highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion wrote:What about the other half, that water dramatically reduces your fight against gravity? Therefore, a swimmer can still be pretty damn fast (though not elite) with higher body fat? So maybe I don't know the reason but I do know swimmers. Swimmers can be awfully fast and overweight. They aren't usually fat. I'm talking about rolls on the belly, chubby arms, and chubby legs. I have no doubt that the swimmer is very strong underneath all that but doesn't have the definition of a well trained wrestler or climber or gymnast. I'd love to see an analysis of varsity HS swimmers who only do one sport vs varsity HS wrestlers or gymnasts who only do one sport.I was never a swimmer, and never worked with the population. I am also not great at physics so I can't tell you yes or no about your experience. However I did find a review of body fat percentage in swimmers and pasted the results below. Swimming n=7 Mean age 20.6 SD 1.2 Mean Fat % 5 SD 4.5 Swimming n=13 Mean age 21.8 SD 2.2 Mean Fat % 8.5 SD 2.9 Swimming n=14 Mean age 19.9 SD 2.3 Mean Fat % 7.5 SD 3 Swimming n=39 Mean age 19.1 SD 4.5 Mean Fat % 12.3 SD 4.6 Body Composition in Athletes: Assessment and Estimated Fatness sciencedirect.com.ezp.welch… Addendum: Refer to website below for explanation of why "body composition is only one of the considerations for optimal swimming performance." usms.org/articles/articledi… |
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Joe, this off topic stuff is more interesting than the OP. |
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The Call Of K2 Lou wrote:In the words of Barry Blanchard: "A date with Mrs. Thumb and her four daughters."Hearing this makes me even more sorry I missed Barry Blanchard when he visited the local Patagucci store here in town to promote his book. |
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trail run, mountain bike, road bike, hike, backpack, ski/snowboard... |