What have we done... or why the Peaks weren't posted
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Colonel Mustard wrote: ...I sense from some of those posting a desire to retreat into a provincial and elitist sense of entitlement, ... That's ugly.How is keeping your local crag off the net entitlement? Especially if you bought the bolts and set the routes? If anything the regular "users" are the people with the sense of entitlement. |
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Colonel Mustard wrote: ...experiencing a TIA? gription wrote: tic?Transient Ischemic Attack. A temporary and focal lack of bloodflow in the brain... I got no dog in this argument, but in clinical neurology that is what TIA is. It can be associated with an AMS (Altered Mental State). |
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gription wrote: How is keeping your local crag off the net entitlement? Especially if you bought the bolts and set the routes? If anything the regular "users" are the people with the sense of entitlement.When the cat's out of the bag already? That's... that's... that's not how it works. It's too... too... too late. |
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Colonel Mustard wrote: When the cat's out of the bag already?That may be the case. I hope I never have to find out about that or an organic brain disease. |
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One of your fellow climbers communicating here. Of course you narcissistic photogs have proof that the routes at the Peaks were hand-drilled. Just saying. |
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Who takes selfies while bolting? Is that a thing I have to get into now so I'll be a true "developer" with a bosch in hand? LOL |
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I place all bolts by hand |
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Man, what drama. |
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Hobo is in national forest. But im glad you enjoy the routes there! |
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In all honestly every area is blowing the F up regardless. You look at Boulder and the Denver metro area in the past 5 years. It's blown up to a ridiculous nature. You have to be at a crag at sunup to get some uninterrupted pitches in and all the great camping spots are carnivals with shit and TP everywhere. Wanna do a 14er? Expected to sit on the summit of the easier ones with a couple hundred of your closet friends. |
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Scott McMahon wrote:In all honestly every area is blowing the F up regardless. You look at Boulder and the Denver metro area in the past 5 years. It's blown up to a ridiculous nature. You have to be at a crag at sunup to get some uninterrupted pitches in and all the great camping spots are carnivals with shit and TP everywhere. Wanna do a 14er? Expected to sit on the summit of the easier ones with a couple hundred of your closet friends. The west is exploding, and quite honestly not with the most desirable people. I was lucky to grow up a scout, and learned how to respect nature. I don't think others were lucky enough to grow up outside, or at least they don't show it in their behavior. People kinda suck alot, and it's going to get worse. This is going on everywhere.+1000 |
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All this drama from a person, who the last time I remember interacting with, was posting pictures and babbling about sport climbing on the reservation somewhere in AZ... I guess you really can choose your battles. You seem unstable from a state away... |
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Does anyone remember this book? Maybe this isn't quite the problem being discussed here but it is an (t)issue at a lot of crags. A little outdoor education never hurts. |
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Here is Chris Kalous and Lisa Hathaway's fun take (2012) on this topic and the Peaks in particular: |
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Scott is right. The problem is people and it will grow. one other thing. Climbing is special in many ways but probably the most commonly forgotten way is that the people who discover, reveal, and create the routes we all enjoy do so at great cost of time, labor, and expense, and the rest of us climb all we want for free. So perhaps if you aren't fully invested in this labor of love then you should enjoy the routes, say thank you, and climb on. If you find yourself sitting at a keyboard lobbing digital assaults, get outside. before the mp forums steal your soul. |
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Great first post Dean. It has been crazy to watch the crag become busier and busier as the years have gone by. I remember going up there and getting on whatever looked doable and it being a rarity to see more than a few people. I also agree with other posts that things ebb and flow. I think that climbing is growing at a faster rate than ever before, and that with this growth there are a few trends, which i bet transcend many different outdoor recreation activities and places. |
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^ great thoughts Jacob. It's the "REI syndrome". I've posted before how it took me years to build my rack, and splitboard set up etc; all the while researching, learning, reading books, climbing and whatnot. |
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After being a campground host in Colorado and Arizona, I suppose it is a bit ironic to me to read about climbers crying over the insensitivity of their fellow rock lovers towards "their" favorite secret crag. |