Cussing at the crag
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Mark E Dixon wrote: Let me get this straight-you are voluntarily involving your kids in a subculture where substance abuse is rampant, avoidance of productive work is glorified and a genuine risk of injury or death exists, but throw a little cursing in, and that's a deal breaker?fuckin' a |
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These forums are great! Talk about a train wreck. |
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A couple things. |
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Just be considerate in all things and expect the result to be somewhere between what you want and what others want. |
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Jake Jones wrote: With 5 billion motherfuckers on this pissant rock and people taking the goddamned skin boat to tuna town like fucking hotcakes, consideration of one another is a must. Don't be a shitbag around the kids. Watch your mouths.More like 7 billion +/- 100 million or so. Pool's already full folks, so as stated before, spay and neuter those lil' fuck trophies. |
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Nick Turtura wrote:Oh and by the way, to the crag rat at the rock with a sailors mouth. Sorry I took a dump in your chalk bag the other day, I mean it's a free country and all, if you don't like keep your chalk bag away from me.Maybe I'm old fashioned, but threatening to sabotage the climbing gear of an active serviceman doesn't seem to me like a great example to set for kids. |
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So, I have a thought on this. I used to a be a screaming cusser. I mean, freak out yelling f-bombs when I was getting my ass kicked. I've since stopped, and try not to cuss at all, much less yell anything but the usual grunting, etc. I even try to keep that to a minimum. |
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Too much cussing is the hallmark of the redneck peckerwood. You want to be like that? You go back to your doublewide now and think about it. |
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Locker.... Nice Bait, I bet it works very well on a slow day like today. |
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Leave the dogs and kids at home with the babysitter where they BELONG, then take Franks advice and... |
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On some routes my best placed piece is a well timed F-bomb. |
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Tim Lutz wrote:So now we need to curb our langauge at the crags because the soccer parents dont like it?! Wow. Mother fucking wow.Dogs and children belong on leashes at the crag. Seriously your kids are not cute and get that thing away from my fucking pack. |
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Stich wrote:Too much cussing is the hallmark of the redneck peckerwood. You want to be like that? You go back to your doublewide now and think about it.This is true. Sadly, I am a perpetrator. |
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Sarcasm Below
Move to Provo, UT, home of the Latter Day Saints' private university. Climb at the gym by the dollar theater in the winter and Rock Canyon/AF in the off season. If any one so much as thinks a curse word inside the holy bubble that protects Utah Valley, the very ground opens up, masticating the offense from the sight of the righteous. Sarcasm Above Seriously, though I'm a Dad, too. I find that people swear or otherwise behave in a way that is inappropriate for children all the time, not just at the crags. Use good judgement at all times with your children. Most importantly, I feel it is the parents responsibility to educate their child so that they don't grow up to be a foul mouthed crag sprayer or something worse like a hold enhancer/chipper. There are plenty of climbers/people that do not want to have children around them and see them as a negative. When taking the kiddos, we always look for either another family or an area/crag that is empty. We introduce ourselves to any one else at the crag and just try to be genuine, friendly and respectful. i.e. if we showed up at the only crag available and there was already a large group and the children were fussy we would just change plans for the day. Being a parent that climbs, one must remember that they are a parent first, climber second. |
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josh holmes wrote: Being a parent that climbs, one must remember that they are a parent first, climber second.lol, I had to get lowered halfway up a route yesterday to go spot my 4 year old on her 5.4 solo up the side of the cliff. We both sent our projects yesterday. |
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T Roper wrote: lol, I had to get lowered halfway up a route yesterday to go spot my 4 year old on her 5.4 solo up the side of the cliff. We both sent our projects yesterday.Awesome!! |
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josh holmes wrote:Use good judgement at all times with your children. Most importantly, I feel it is the parents responsibility to educate their child so that they don't grow up to be a foul mouthed crag sprayer or something worse like a hold enhancer/chipper.I think this is an important point. This is a parenting issue, not a climbing issue. Kids are going to hear things parents don't want them to hear. I was raised in a religious bubble in the conservative south--went to private christian schools and everything--and I heard a lot worse at school by the time I was 10 than what I hear at the crag. You can't police everybody--every other parent who lets their kids curse, every overworked teacher that can't monitor every playground spat, every passing skateboarder as you walk your kids through the park, or, yes, every climber who lets one fly at the crux. I guess you could try, but it wouldn't be a very pleasant experience. You CAN teach your kids that what they are hearing is inappropriate, that it's mean, that they should not repeat what they hear. I mean, really, it feeds into a larger approach to parenting. It's abstinence vs. sex ed. You can either try to protect your kids from the world (you will fail), or how to be smart, courteous members the world. |
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Sean Brady wrote:So, I have a thought on this. I used to a be a screaming cusser. I mean, freak out yelling f-bombs when I was getting my ass kicked. I've since stopped, and try not to cuss at all, much less yell anything but the usual grunting, etc. I even try to keep that to a minimum. I feel that it not only degrades the experience of the people around you, but it also degrades YOUR experience and helps reinforce any self doubt that may be present in your mind. How are you supposed to visualize sending when you are clearly stuck on the failure? Either way I think it's something that we should try to keep to a minimum, for all our sakes.^One of the best responses on this thread. I used to be that guy too... I'm sure longtime partners will recall. I'm not sure why people are focusing so much on how it affects kids. I think the more important concern (disclaimer: not a parent) is to keep in mind the touchy access issues that exist in many areas. Here in Wyomont, we're lucky enough to have a plethora of crags in the middle of nowhere, but i'm sure there are plenty of spots in which land management is actively looking for ways and reasons to build a case against climbers. Don't give them an easy one. |
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Thank you all for the logical responses. |