Gunks AAC campground update?
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waltereo wrote: Camp slime is closed. Last week-end I went there and notification signs has been post there and in the west trap parking lot asking people to camp at the MUA. My question is , what is the status of the MUA after the opening if the AAC campground on May 15 ?Walter, interesting. When I called the Preserve last week they said that Slime would close on May 15th. Perhaps I misunderstood. In response to an email inquiry last week to the DEC Region 3 Office regarding the status of camping at the MUA I received, in part, the following response: "The MUA still exists and there is still camping allowed." They indicated that currently there is no plan to eliminate camping at the MUA. However they did note that elimination of camping at the MUA was an option for the future as noted in the current Shawangunk Ridge Unit Management Plan if "the overuse and crowding issues associated with the MUA" continue. Given the elimination of the MUA sites on the north side of the road a couple of years ago, the closing of Slime and the pricey AAC alternative it is likely the "overuse and crowding issues" at the MUA will continue. Thus it would seem likely the MUA will eventually be closed to camping but it will not be happening immediately. The management plan appears to also contain the option to transfer the MUA property to the State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation. Presumably such a transfer would mean the MUA would become a actively-managed, fee-based State campground. However given the fact the AMC/AAC effort over the years resulted in the need to obtain property and privately develop a campground would seem to indicate the DEC/OPRHP is unwilling to convert MUA to a State campground. For reference, from the current version of the Managment Plan under the Management and Actions section (page 60) Ulster 1Shawangunk Multiple Use Area 1. Initiate restoration of impacted areas. 2. Consider interagency transfer of property to OPRHP. 3. Reduce number of designated campsites or eliminate camping on the property. |
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Pretty simple. if the lot looks full you cook in front of your van. not beside it. It ain't rocket science. not worth getting your pantys all bunched up over. |
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It shouldn't be rocket science, Nick, but for many people, the cook in front of their van instead of beside it doesn't seem to come to mind. |
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Terri you are way, way, way too nice. |
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I am a lion! Hear me roar!! Meow.. |
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I spent a good bit of time there in the eightys. When I was there 2000 ish it was like a full blown city mob scean. (why I have not been back) Happies rant did not sound very happy and seemed to be of the grumpy looking down the nose at van campers variety . BTW the whole point of van camping is to ditch the wisper light and go with the two burner coleman, folding chairs,coolers, guitars, fiddels and mandolins. Now I could understand the ire if they had a banjo and an acordian in the mix! The scolding over the rather late breakfast also struck a wrong note with me. I love sleeping in when van camping;) |
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I think I said upthread that I live out of my van half the year. So I pretty much have the van-living thing down. The difference in our perspectives might be that I don't expect the environment I am in to bend to my desires, nor do I try to get over in a way that thumbs my nose at those who have to deal with those doing the thumbing. I try to either fit in or be inconspicuous when I don't necessarily fit in. |
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I am totally with Happy on this---the person with the bunched underwear is Nick in this case, who says he would never hog spaces but is mighty defensive---about what exactly? |
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Hogging spaces is not what I am about. I would be the first person to make my space smaller so someone else could fit in if it was that busy. I asked where there was legal van camping and I got a rather holier than thou rant about car campers. I work my ass off and when i do get to get on the road I prefer to relax and unwind. My climbing goals are usually pretty casual. get out there and enjoy the cliff but not looking to break any marathon records. getting rousted by cops in the middle of the night would not be relaxing in my book, neither would being accosted by the etiquette police for haveing a late breakfast. I like to camp in legal spots. I don't mind paying a reasonable fee. Hanging out arround your vehicle socalizeing is a fairly solid climbing tradition so yes that anti car camper rant struck a chord with me. |
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Nick Goldsmith wrote:... neither would being accosted by the etiquette police for haveing a late breakfast... the fact that you can't hang out by your van in the parking lot without pissing a bunch of people off is just one of the reasons i have not been there in so long...How big of a breakfast is this that it requires someone to say something to you about your use of space necessary to accomplish said breakfast? If you aren't doing anything wrong as a matter of principle, why so worried about being 'accosted'? |
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Kevin Heckeler wrote: How big of a breakfast is this that it requires someone to say something to you about your use of space necessary to accomplish said breakfast? If you aren't doing anything wrong as a matter of principle, why so worried about being 'accosted'?he is so worried about getting robbed he put copyrights in all of his pics above, maybe he is just always on edge? |
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Met up with friends at the base of Directissima. Tim led the 1st pitch so we used his rack. by the time we got back to our packs they had been cleaned out. My entire rack stolen. there were occasional smash and grabs in parking allong the road. last time I was there folks were talking about a smash and grab. |
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Seneca I presume (nm - I see you labeled the first one). If I lived closer I'm sure I'd climb there. Since most of us live (much) closer to New Paltz, we have to deal with the very occasional issues/inconveniences. At least we can read/write and aren't all related. [oh shit, no he didn't!] Funny how that photo, as amazing as it is, aint watermarked. They must not be 'professionals'. ;) |
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Its a great shot. If it is professional they probobly have a struggle as most professional photographers do these days staying afloat and their work gets stolen regularly. |
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Nick Goldsmith wrote:I asked where there was legal van camping and I got a rather holier than thou rant about car campers.Actually, you received an answer to your question from someone the post following yours. I was going to send you a private message, and had even written quite a lengthy one, but then I thought "I don't know this person. I have no guarantee that he will not copy/paste, or even screenshot, this message and post it. Instead I went back to the thread and saw that you had gotten the answer to your question, despite it perhaps not being as clear as you might like, and another question about Walmart. I answered the question about W/M. I apologize if you felt I was accusing you of being the type of person who would be the ass that I described. That was not my intent. My intent was to point out, in general to those who might have stake in the topic, that the behavior described was an issue that would likely have to be addressed if it did not stop. On an aside - I have no doubt it will be even worse this season, as people balk against the campground. For those considering such protest(again, not speaking to you specifically, Nick) - Does anyone not realize that the result of such behavior could eventually be rangers being required to close/lock the gate an hour after sunset, and reopen them at sunrise? The MP is much more relaxed than people give it credit for. Much more. But when you have people who "need rules" in order to behave decently, there will, unfortunately, be rules. |
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Nick, no one is talking about mellowing out and hanging by your van. |
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Marc801 wrote:Nick, no one is talking about mellowing out and hanging by your van. They are talking about taking up a second spot next to your van with an extensive breakfast set-up in a lot that can go from sparse and looking empty to almost full in the space of 5-10 minutes.Nick's started by asking for a spot to park his van overnight. Everyone else is bitching and moaning about shit Nicks not even doing, taking sides, beating their chest and name calling! Dude where's my car comes to mind.. What does mine say? Sweet! What does mine say? dude! I know, I know butt out. |
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Nick's answers are inconsistent. He worries he's going to be harassed for not being a good camper after having been told what is considered good etiquette, then says he already practices it? Me thinks Nick worries too much, is lying, and/or has preconceived notions on something he knows little about (Gunks camping). |
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Nick Goldsmith wrote:Its a great shot. If it is professional they probobly have a struggle as most professional photographers do these days staying afloat and their work gets stolen regularly.I can assure you the photos you posted in this thread are in no danger of being stolen or used without permission. |