What Nobody is Saying About the Dawn Wall

Each to their own and hey everybody has their own opinion but I don't agree what that fringe folly guy is saying in fact I find it boring. Climbing has changed and Being forty five I remember back in the day when I was twenty people were saying the same old shit about bolting and working sport routes this branch of climbing has risen to unbelievable standards. Then came bouldering mats but look at the standard of bouldering now. F ing awesome. If fringe folly looks around there are still plenty of adventurous climbers and epic stories of adventure and vertical craziness. Rock on Tommy

Seems like quite a few people have taken notice of Fringe Folly's POV. Actually a pretty interesting/humorous article. (And I didn't even write it.) Takes on Fringe Folly, with a good sense of humor.

I think Tommy and Kevin would be up on the Dawn Wall right now even if there wasn't a soul around to watch them or care.

Royal went up to chop Warren's bolts until he got his ass up there himself and realized how crazy that shit really was. Haters get over yourself or go do it.

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I flash your dawn wall! Tis nothing but puny american boulder!

Tim Kuss wrote:'smacks of "back in my day" mountaineering writing' Exactly. You should remove your shite writing from the internet. You suck.

which is kind of weird when the dude is like 30 and only been climbing 10 years.

Tim Lutz wrote:The above response link nailed it "Internet comments are like cairns along a wilderness trail: anyone can put one up, they all look superficially like they are official and well-informed, and usually those who spend the most time putting one together are those who should just be shutting their mouths and paying more attention to the surroundings."

So is there some sort of board of review I should be submitting my opinions to before I share then with online communities like this one? Or should I just be shutting my mouth and deferring to the majority views?

Everyone should have a right to have an opinion and to voice it in a civil manner.

While I liked the article, I have to bring up the fact that when this project was started five or six years ago, it wasn't on anyone's radar except Tommy Caldwell's. Just because he has stayed the course on his project, and it has gained a huge following as it has come closer and closer to an actual send does not mean that the other six years up there with no film crew doesn't count now because it has media attention. Any professional athlete is going to be pressured by sponsors to communicate and be active on social media, so that is what you're going to do if you want to keep your sponsors so that you can keep climbing and doing the things you love. What they're doing is a grand adventure; you're only seeing the footage of the finish line and saying "It's not that big of a deal" or "is this really the style to do it in?". Of course it is, no one can consistently onsight pitch on pitch of 5.13/14 right now.

You could ask a similar question about Warren Hardings bolt ladder to infinity ascent of the dawn wall, and ask if it was in good style. Style doesn't matter when you're a fucking visionary. Maybe someone will come along in the next thousand years and free the whole thing in a day, and then you can write an article about how amazing that was and why it didn't get more media attention from the non-climbing world.
If you want to promote adventure climbing, go find a big wall in Greenland and don't document it.

Good question to ask though, and a nice read.

Great Post Eli, it is always good to see someone dedicated to a climb. From Harding to Caldwell, it's a long ways and much has happened. Pretty much both share the adventure of El Cap and now the circus has opened it up for us to see and comment.

I wish them luck and think I'll pass on going to Greenland.

A little off subject, but what are the logistics of flying to Greenland? Visas, guide connections, prices etc. etc.

Tim Lutz wrote:I could tell you, but that would take away the adventure points.

Screw fame. This global warming is seriously getting old!

neve wrote:A little off subject, but what are the logistics of flying to Greenland? Visas, guide connections, prices etc. etc.

PM me

neve wrote:A little off subject, but what are the logistics of flying to Greenland? Visas, guide connections, prices etc. etc.

PM me

Another reason for wishing there was less press attention to the DW project: to never have to be subject to reading such terrible writing as this - msn.com/en-us/news/us/yosem…

Warning: Common side effects of reading the article are extreme nausea, and your eyes catching fire and burning to a crisp.

Eli Buzzell wrote:Style doesn't matter when you're a fucking visionary. .

yup.

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Gokul wrote:Another reason for wishing there was less press attention to the DW project: to never have to be subject to reading such terrible writing as this - msn.com/en-us/news/us/yosem… Warning: Common side effects of reading the article are extreme nausea, and your eyes catching fire and burning to a crisp.

What's so wrong with that article? It's not inaccurate, actually, and has about the right amount of detail for the target audience. Much of it is quotes from Kevin's FB page. Non-climbers just don't care about additional detail or being absolutely correct and precise.

they aren't even wearing helmets

Darren Mabe wrote:they aren't even wearing helmets

Neither are you in your profile picture....

The Caldwall Hannold traverse in Patagonia is vastly more impressive than this physically difficult multi pitch sport climb.However hats off to the helpers and photographers.