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Geir www.ToofastTopos.com
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Feb 12, 2014
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Tucson/DMR
· Joined Jun 2006
· Points: 2,751
Hey Russ, For many reasons I also disagree with the practices of using glue, agressive cleaning, or chiseling to create a route. I actually think it is a fine idea to discourage these practices by excluding from guides those routes which utilize them. I am willing to do this without accusation, finger-pointing, or criticism (especially as these things are sometimes done by people other than the FA party); I am sincerely curious as to whether the author(s) of the other guide would also entertain this idea. Overall I think it would be a positive effort by both of us to improve Cochise. Regards, Geir
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wwwcochiseclimbing com
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Feb 12, 2014
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Jul 2008
· Points: 140
1000 of you have looked a this thread!!!! How many of you have climbed the Peacemaker? Endgame? Abracadaver? How many of you want to get on more routes just like those? I want to make that happen. I want to get you out climbing with a guidebook in hand on the best road trip of your life. LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN
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Robbie Mackley
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Feb 12, 2014
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Tucson, AZ
· Joined May 2010
· Points: 85
I would also like to add: Many climbers have their time, effort, and (dare I mention) money invested in the access, conservation, and overall stewardship of southern AZ. Let's not violate their contributions with a thread like this. To end my rant, I would like to respectfully suggest that the authors in question have agreed that there is room for more than one book. And should be allowed to discuss any personal/ethical issues in a more private setting. -Mackley P.S. I understand the ethical issues in question, but there are plenty of those already here. As many of you often say, "just use the 'search feature'."
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Robbie Mackley
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Feb 18, 2014
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Tucson, AZ
· Joined May 2010
· Points: 85
Bump. Pre purchase so I can get my copy already.
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NC Rock Climber
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Sep 20, 2014
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The Oven, AKA Phoenix
· Joined Dec 2009
· Points: 60
I am curious about whatever happened to this book. Is it still going to be published? Geir's book is out and it looks great.
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NC Rock Climber
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Sep 22, 2014
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The Oven, AKA Phoenix
· Joined Dec 2009
· Points: 60
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NC Rock Climber
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Oct 10, 2014
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The Oven, AKA Phoenix
· Joined Dec 2009
· Points: 60
One more time; what is the status of this book? Anyone know what happened?
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NC Rock Climber
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Oct 12, 2014
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The Oven, AKA Phoenix
· Joined Dec 2009
· Points: 60
For a few months this book was a huge deal for cochiseclimbing. They were more than happy to use this site to promote the sale of the guide and ask for money. Now, they cannot even respond to a simple request for an update. IMHO, this says a lot. I posted in September because I was interested in buying a book if it was available, or maybe pre-purchasing if that was still an option. At this point, I think I will just get Geir's book. I am sure that it has everything I will ever need.
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Chris S
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Oct 19, 2014
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Feb 2008
· Points: 446
Not trying to troll, but seriously wondering: did you try to contact the OP through the "contact us" form on the cochiseclimbing.com?
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NC Rock Climber
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Oct 19, 2014
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The Oven, AKA Phoenix
· Joined Dec 2009
· Points: 60
No. I assumed that since they started this thread to promote the book and log onto MP.com regularly that they would respond here.
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Chris S
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Oct 19, 2014
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Feb 2008
· Points: 446
Understood. Other than having an interest in making it down to Cochise one of these winters to experience the climbing, I have no skin in this game - I don't know you or any of the guidebook authors. I do have my own website, and I can personally vouch that despite some of my best efforts I've missed forum threads and social media comments in an effort to keep on top of my email. That being said, I do wish that cochiseclimbing had gone about this a little bit different, and I hope that other potential guidebook authors are taking notes. When an author is given an advance from a publisher, there is usually a deadline attached to that money. It should be no different if you choose to solicit an advance from the public. Even better in this day and age, take advantage of digital opportunities like Kickstarter. Define how much you need to make a publishing run, post that number, and set a date to have it done by. I won't be pre-purchasing a book by sending money to an anonymous internet address with no evidence the book actually exists - but I would seriously consider funding a Kickstarter campaign. When an area has had as much digital and printed attention as Cochise has, I think a guidebook can only be helpful - otherwise there are just to many great opportunities for visiting climbers with the best of intentions to cause incidences with local land owners, land managers, and local climbers. These two (or three) guidebook authors have the opportunity to establish the expectations for future climbing in Cochise, an opportunity not to be taken likely. Good luck!
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Ball
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Oct 23, 2014
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Oakridge, OR
· Joined Jan 2010
· Points: 70
Not to sound like an old curmudgeon, but is there really a need for this? Just pick a weakness and climb
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