Lost Rope - Crimson Chrysalis

Holy cow - the guy just asked for his rope back. He even said "please." And he's getting grief for that?

Littering, failure to offer reward, etc? Amazing how many creative violations some of you have come up with. What a bunch of Internet sniping.

FrankPS wrote: Littering

Kinda says it all

FWIW, David is a great guy. I've run into him off and on for years. Once he made a big effort to get me back my ice tool that had fallen off my pack. I was so grateful. I think sometimes the forums and the verbiage we put here gets too much reading into. I'll vouch for David!

Thanks, Leo. An up-date on this saga. Three days after this thread started I got a call and a guy said, "I'm the guy who found your rope. How come you have so much time to spend on line? I don't go on line because I spend all my time climbing." He then informed me that he was a guide form Jackson, that he was calling form Moab and told me what a sacrifice he made to get my rope off the climb. He asked what he needed to do to get my rope to me. I suggested that the best thing would have been not waiting until after driving 500 miles away before calling me. He then called me a dick and hung up. Sort of what I expected. In private conversations with his buddy Josh it is pretty clear he intended to booty it right from the start and was mainly looking for a way to justify it to himself. That's cool. Part of my calculation in leaving it there was the possibility that I would never see it again and I'm OK with that. I'm a litterer, after all, right?

Geez after all that name names. A guide from the hole, eh? There are a fair number, but only a few employers who probably would not look too fondly on their employees pulling such non-sense.

csproul wrote:Holy shit...if you keep a rope you found stuck (and know who it belongs to), you are an ass. Period.

I agree with Csproul - this whole thread just confirms my suscpicion that most people on this site are d-bags.

I normally refrain from commenting on topics that seem to require one to take sides because of the shitstorm that tends to rain down, but it's really piling up. I'm reading comments from people who don't seem to have met David, but are condemning him for requesting the return of some gear. His request was made in a polite way. Although it may have seemed a bit succinct, "please" and "thank you" go a long way. I would think that such a request would be welcomed as an opportunity to show communion with a fellow adventurer of life? Some of these comments have come from people who I thought were fairly positive contributors to the various forums. It's alarming to witness people succumb to their frailties over trivial material items. I used to marvel over bootied gear also.....my preciousssss!

I've climbed with David in the past, and would do so again. He is far from "the younger climbing tourist class" as was seemingly ascribed to him. The stereotype of the "303 climber" doesn't add up either as David's current residence is apparently in Moscow, ID according to his MP profile.

How about we all show each other and ourselves much more respect? I bet we'd all have a better time.

well, you probably would have caught more flies with honey... your original post didn't really sound appreciative or hopeful - it kind of comes off as demanding. i think josh's comment was probably kind of tongue in cheek, but you kind of drove things down hill from there.

a guy calls and tries to arrange to get your rope back and you make a lame comment "I suggested that the best thing would have been not waiting until after driving 500 miles away before calling me." you really think someone is going to go out of there way to help you out when this is your attitude? if the guy's original intention was to booty your rope, why would josh let you know the guy has it? why would the guy even attempt to call you? did the thought ever cross your mind that the world doesn't revolve around you and that he might have been busy during this time period. but, i guess nobody is too busy to track you down and get your rope back to you...

here's my suggestion - don't epic on a fisher price route and get your rope stuck and demand someone deliver it to you on a silver platter. it seems like folks know you and say you are a great guy. my comments are based on never having met you, and this being the first thing i have seen you post.

David Sweet wrote:Thanks, Leo. An up-date on this saga. Three days after this thread started I got a call and a guy said, "I'm the guy who found your rope. How come you have so much time to spend on line? I don't go on line because I spend all my time climbing." He then informed me that he was a guide form Jackson, that he was calling form Moab and told me what a sacrifice he made to get my rope off the climb. He asked what he needed to do to get my rope to me. I suggested that the best thing would have been not waiting until after driving 500 miles away before calling me. He then called me a dick and hung up. Sort of what I expected. In private conversations with his buddy Josh it is pretty clear he intended to booty it right from the start and was mainly looking for a way to justify it to himself. That's cool. Part of my calculation in leaving it there was the possibility that I would never see it again and I'm OK with that. I'm a litterer, after all, right?

Wow. Since you keep bringing this up and acting like you are totally blameless and a victim, I will offer my opinion.

The second post in this thread by Josh was pretty tame. If you would have come back with a civil response, this issue probably would have been resolved. Instead, you went nuclear, and the resulting shitshow and less civil / more blunt response from Josh is partially your own damn fault. Then, when the dude with your rope called you and offered to send you your rope, you again acted like a dick. Not drive 500 miles before calling you? Three days is too long, especially considering that the dude is climbing and traveling? So he should have waited in Vegas to give you your lost rope? Really?

I don't know you. In person you might be a great guy. Words on a screen don't always accurately convey all that we are trying to say. However, based on this thread, you come off as more than a little self centered and demanding. Without a doubt, you could have handled this a LOT better.

NC Rock Climber wrote:The second post in this thread by Josh was pretty tame. If you would have come back with a civil response, this issue probably would have been resolved.

Exactly.

Let me follow up as well: After following this thread for some time I felt really bad for David so a few days ago I emailed him. I just wanted him to know that my genuine intention was to reunite him with the rope and at the same time see my acquaintance (who took the time to un-stick it, coil it, and carry it out - in addition to his own two ropes he used on that climb - and since then apparently called him as well) get a few beers out of the deal. I let him know that it wasn't anything personal and I wished him no ill will, and even though the entire thing was out of my control, that (if he wanted) I'd be happy to contact the guy who had the rope and encourage him to get in touch. To me it seemed like a win-win situation from the start.

David wrote me an email in response explaining his moral code - that he goes out of his way to help others and never expects (nor would accept) anything in return. He also admitted to accepting full responsibility for leaving his rope behind. I have to give him credit on both counts - very admirable!

However, he also seemed very convinced that I was extorting him or holding his rope hostage and he implied that my world view was inferior and that I was pushing it upon him. He made it clear that he wished I hadn't posted at all and he didn't want my "help". He did not ask for me to contact my acquaintance again; like his posts here, he was indignant. It is my belief that there was only one way David would even accept his rope back and that is freely given, no questions asked.

I'm sorry that things turned out this way. I'm particularly bummed that it sounds like David and the guy with the rope had a horrible interaction on the phone. My impression is both of them are nice dudes. Ideally, in my opinion, David would have gotten the rope and the guy who found it would have gotten some beer. But at least the guy who found it has a new rope so I guess it's not a total tragedy.

Both David and Wally, who posted earlier, seemed to have completely missed that my 303 comment was a joke. Easy to do I suppose since neither would have known the particular irony that I too have a 303 number! There's a stereotype there and I'm doing my best to represent! ;)

All this moral code bs being thrown about...as soon as I hear "I help people all the time and don't expect anything in return" I cover my wallet. True giving, true caring is doing the deed and never make mention of what a great fucking hero you are. Warning for those of you less experienced in life. Those who brag about wondrous moral fiber are the exact ones to watch out for, in politics, religion, climbing, you name it.

Leaving some shoes behind by accident....hiking back in to check on them and they are gone...now that is one thing...makes total sense to post in lost and found. Sticking a cam or rope....and lacking the ability to retrieve it right there and then (been climbing over 30 years, never left a rope behind) and/or too lazy and/or busy to go back and get it....and then posting in lost and found...."morally" inept in my book (yes littering on park lands). Plain and simple.

And I could care less that you are a great guy or girl to your friends and acquaintances???...what in the hell does that have to do with it??? I hung out with Bill Clinton once, super guy I thought, still got a blow job from a subordinate in the Oval Office, bad choice.

Really proud of my peer group.

Fantastic job, "men".

Adam Burch wrote:Really proud of my peer group. Fantastic job, "men".

I feel so small.

NC Rock Climber wrote: I feel so small.

Makes total sense, Fattrad/LEB

LOL!

You ARE spending time on ST. I have no idea where DMT came up with that, but it really caught me by surprise and made me laugh. I guess it could be worse; he could call me rokjox.

NC Rock Climber wrote:LOL! You ARE spending time on ST.

I need to keep up on the drama-queen-action...did you see more people are "leaving"? I don't know if we should laugh or cry ;)

NC Rock Climber wrote:I have no idea where DMT came up with that, but it really caught me by surprise and made me laugh. I guess it could be worse; he could call me rokjox.

Internet Detectives gonna Detective, I guess.