can I have my portal edge back?

Robbie Mackley wrote:Be sure not to leave your tennis racquet on the courts, then expect it to be there a year later.

So if I leave my tennis racket behind, it's ok for another player to take it and keep it rather than giving it to Lost and Found? Especially if I leave it too long for your taste?

Ding ding ding. Mark just got it.

Mark E Dixon wrote: So if I leave my tennis racket behind, it's ok for another player to take it and keep it rather than giving it to Lost and Found? Especially if I leave it too long for your taste?

Don't leave your shit laying around. You are responsible for you own property and it's no one's job to turn it in to lost and found for you. If you really wanted the racket you wouldn't have left it behind.

Robots and Dinosaurs wrote: I honestly don't mean to be rude but why did you put quotes around internet climbing forum?

I will keep Chiming in. I don't care. Quote's because Climbing Forums are inFamous for entertainment and amusement.

I am not going to discuss Ethics on the this forum or the internet. I will take full responsibility for leaving gear on the mountain. And will eventually share my experiences up there. It's a special place. Just like Eldorado Canyon and all the other places we tend to gravitate towards for this unique sport.

Already shopping for new gear, the BD line of cams are looking pretty RAD! Right now, I am going to start by buying some nice quick draws. And eventually buy a small rack for Eldo.

-Chris.

You people are so mean. The OP is clearly from a different universe. Please give him his portal back so he can go home!

P.S. - next time, use the invisibility feature when parking your portal edge so mere mortals will not walk off with it. Good luck.

P.P.S. - I lost my tennis racket. Has anyone seen my racket?

Ray Pinpillage wrote: Don't leave your shit laying around. You are responsible for you own property and it's no one's job to turn it in to lost and found for you. If you really wanted the racket you wouldn't have left it behind.

Glad I don't live near West Egg, where it sounds like life is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.

Personally, I would have a tough time walking off with a port-a-ledge and not posting on a lost and found, here or the like. A cam, a few draws, probably would get kept, but a rope, harness, pack, or ledge are all outside my booty realm. Ethics are different for all of us. Other types have been known to come out armed with a stick clip, to aid & clean those 5.14's with project or leaver draws hanging.

Mark E Dixon wrote: Glad I don't live near West Egg, where it sounds like life is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.

Welcome to life.

Ray Pinpillage wrote: Welcome to life.

I'm at work again, wish I could join the rest of you in "life"

Mark E Dixon wrote: So if I leave my tennis racket behind, it's ok for another player to take it and keep it rather than giving it to Lost and Found? Especially if I leave it too long for your taste?

The problem with this comparison is subtle, but there are two issues here. You are pretending as if people on here are defending whoever took the gear, which I have not seen. No one knows the circumstances of how the gear was taken, what was done with it, etc. You and everyone else seems to have fabricated a story that fits your view of the situation and decided to defend or attack based on that fabricated story. You do not know that "another player took it and kept it rather than giving to lost and found." You do not even know if "another player took it." We know its gone. That's all we know. In a year, who knows what happened. Strong winds, rock slide, avalanche, whatever. No one can honestly say they know what happened to it.

The other issue here is whether the fellow deserves his gear back. As others pointed out, even if someone did pick this gear up, figure out where the legal place to return this gear to is (I am assuming the ranger station), there is almost no chance this gear would still be around for Chris to pick up. Every lost and found has a limitation- I do not know what the rangers is- but its less than a year. So no matter what was done with that gear, Chris would likely not be getting back. Legal, illegal, moral, immoral- whatever. Those are the facts. Like them or not it does not matter. I think that is the point that I (and I think most posters) are making. After a year, you really have no "moral" ground to stand on. Whatever was done with the gear- it is no longer yours.

Of course that does not mean he does not have the right to ask.... just slim chances. But it makes for an amusing thread!

Allen Sanderson wrote: Yeah climbers stash gear and yeah it pissing some folks off but taking the hardware and dumping the software is being douche bag. If gear caches piss ya off haul them out and leave them with the sheriff with your contact info. Post up something about the gear and after 30-90 days check back with the sheriff cause if it ain't been claimed it is yours - legally and ethically.

So the gear wasn't removed because it was litter, it was removed because it had value. So while technically not theft, the people recovering the gear weren't doing it for ethical reasons either.

I have no issues with booty gear, but if the gear is left at an accident some effort should be made to return it.

Mark E Dixon wrote: So if I leave my tennis racket behind, it's ok for another player to take it and keep it rather than giving it to Lost and Found? Especially if I leave it too long for your taste?

Ummmm, yes. That's what abandonment is. You don't own it anymore. He who finds what another man treats as trash can decide for himself whether it's treasure or trash in its new owner's hands.

Apparently, California is now a life is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short place too?

kevin deweese wrote:Ummmm, yes. That's what abandonment is. You don't own it anymore. He who finds what another man treats as trash can decide for himself whether it's treasure or trash in its new owner's hands.

Correct. Everybody has the right to be a good person or a shitty person. I'd rather be a good person and return things that don't belong to me, but you can do whatever the fuck you want.

kevin deweese wrote: Apparently, California is now a life is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short place too?

California is a big place, but what adjectives would you use to describe Oakland?

kevin deweese wrote: Apparently, California is now a life is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short place too?

You'll have to ask Thomas Hobbes. Maybe he posts on ST.

reboot wrote: California is a big place, but what adjectives would you use to describe Oakland?

Badass mostly, and probably less dudes wearing suites of white armor and ten-gallon white hats than you'd find online.

It's almost comical how much hardware got taken. The Haulbag itself. Almost new. 2sets of offset aliens. One set of Aliens. 2sets more or less of Brass HB offsets. One set of Aluminum HB offsets with doubles in some sizes. Peanut stoppers. Along with all the Neutrino biners. All other big wall hardware, swivel, Haul pulley, etc. Along with the more expensive softgoods. I know i have to buy a new pair of ski gloves this winter. It was Mostly specialize gear for Clean Aid climbing. And the Rain Fly and Portaledge. I carried it all up there myself, 3 trips up there over 2 days. It would be very hard work for two climbers too carry down all that i mentioned and more by themselves. I guess there's a lot to say about climbing with a rack and a shirt on your back. and i am still laughing. Took everything just short of the kitchen sink. I am still telling myself i don't care anymore.
All the gear is marked the same way.

kevin deweese wrote: Badass mostly, and probably less dudes wearing suites of white armor and ten-gallon white hats than you'd find online.

You mean like this? Most people would use a few other choice words

Ian Stewart wrote: Correct. Everybody has the right to be a good person or a shitty person. I'd rather be a good person and return things that don't belong to me, but you can do whatever the fuck you want.

Amen..

Whatever you want.. like cherry pick through the gear then leave the unwanted "litter" on the hill.

Things I learned today:

If I leave my property unattended on public land it is your responsibility.

If you haul it down, you have to bring it to Lost and found.

If you don't take it all, you're a litter bug.

It's booty unless it exceeds an arbitrary value.

If you found it, you're a bad person for not hauling it down for me.