DL, Erosion control needed. East Bluff.
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This is something that I believe needs to be addressed, but not sure how to. (Doug?) |
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I've been expecting the tree below Thoroughfare to fall over any day now. In fact, I'm surprised it's still standing. I don't know if there's really anything that can be done except hope it happens in the middle of the night and not on a Sunday afternoon. I suppose we can hire some tree experts to remove it professionally. |
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I've noticed the erosion issue goes beyond that. This winter was brutal on a lot of areas. Some of the access gullies and climbers paths really suffered some drastic changes this year. I think people really need to take the time and consideration to tread lightly, go around areas that look beat up, and not always take the shortest way across an area. Our traffic through these areas definitely won't help, so we have do everything we can to conserve them. |
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Boots Ylectric wrote:I've noticed the erosion issue goes beyond that. This winter was brutal on a lot of areas. Some of the access gullies and climbers paths really suffered some drastic changes this year. I think people really need to take the time and consideration to tread lightly, go around areas that look beat up, and not always take the shortest way across an area. Our traffic through these areas definitely won't help, so we have do everything we can to conserve them.Obviously every situation is different... but I've always been taught to fix the problem areas rather then divert people to fresh areas which will then be the next causality. Might be good to consider walkways,stairs and water bars, etc rather then just diverting people. Like a muddy trail, I was taught to walk through it rather then around because it only makes the problem bigger to walk around the edge. |
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I would love it if a group of us was working on this. At the moment we have interest from Hoofers, the Century Challenge folks, the CMC (which is where our new Access Fund guy is), and the WCA. |
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Morgan Patterson wrote: Obviously every situation is different... but I've always been taught to fix the problem areas rather then divert people to fresh areas which will then be the next causality. Might be good to consider walkways,stairs and water bars, etc rather then just diverting people. Like a muddy trail, I was taught to walk through it rather then around because it only makes the problem bigger to walk around the edge.That's a really good point actually. |
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I think six people, a chainsaw, some shovels, some crow bars and a case of PBR could fix a good deal of those problems in one weeknight. I can bring everything but the people. |
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+100 on erosion control. Doug Hemken wrote:I would love it if a group of us was working on this. At the moment we have interest from Hoofers, the Century Challenge folks, the CMC (which is where our new Access Fund guy is), and the WCA. (Wouldn't it be more effective to form a group that absorbs all those separate groups into one uber-powerful DL climbing advocacy group? |
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Well I am in. If we can just do it on our own, (at least start with Gills) I am available on the weekend of the 28/29th. We can easily replace the old dead tree with some nice green treated lumber, and some rebar going into the earth for support and then back fill it with dirt. |
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Jon, |
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good call on dead timber. Let's plan a work day for that. Will you be back from the Big's by then? |
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jon jugenheimer wrote:good call on dead timber. Let's plan a work day for that. Will you be back from the Big's by then?I don't leave until the middle of July. I am here for the next few weeks, but have weekend (climbing) plans. Besides, I think this would be best done, especially if a chainsaw is involved, on a weeknight. |
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Ah, thought June... |
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jon jugenheimer wrote:Ah, thought June... Good call on a weeknight. Maybe Monday the 30th?As of right now I believe that works for me. |
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So as far as more extensive work for the mouse's area goes, I do have a friend/past co-worker who works for the ice age trail now and worked for the DNR trail crew for years up til last year. Basically, trail building is what this guy does and he's very good at it. He also loves DLake and I'm sure if I asked he would totally take a look at it and be able to advise a course of action. Since he's former DNR, knows Steve and Jim (park superintendent/assistant) he would also likely have a good handle on what is "permissible" in a non-designated use area and how staff would feel about work being done. All it would cost is taking him climbing and getting a beer afterwards. He's out doing Ice Age Trail work right now for 2 weeks or so, but is this something you guys want me to pursue? If we propose doing anything that's more than shoring up the area with the missing log or more extensive, I vote we do it right the first time and getting some expert eyes seems like it may help. |
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I completely agree Angie, please ask him for help. We should do this little project right the first time, and the park should know about it, approve it, and be satisfied with the results. |
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The only problem with fixing the log under Gill's is who uses the chainsaw in the Park - must be FISTA certified on state land. |
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What are the consequences of operation by a non-FISTA-certified operator? |
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I couldn't tell you if it was Law or Code or policy, but here is their form |
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Sounds like this only applies if either: |
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We can use a hand saw to make just a cut or two on one log. We really don't need a chain saw, we are all climbers right?!? |