TRAD ETHICS

Eliot Augusto wrote: Having made it up, I get dibs on definition. And I vote for routes your friends drag you up that is way above your level and you shit your pants the entire way up.

"i like trad climbing. i like sport climbing. i like hearing about what my friends send. i love lamp."

I don't mean to sound heartless by not caring about a friends climbing. I love it when my friends climb something they want, and if they are happy I am too. If they aren't, then I'll help them how I can.

But I have yet to lose sleep over a friend falling and making it a red point instead.

I've been under the impression for quite some time that the T stands for Totally.

and a brown point is setting out with intentions of trying a specific route and then weenie-ing out...

Eliot Augusto wrote: Having made it up, I get dibs on definition. And I vote for routes your friends drag you up that is way above your level and you shit your pants the entire way up.

You guys are so cute. "Having made it up". We were using the term brown point twelve years ago. And we defined it then. And it is very likely someone used the term before us.

Reminds me of the schmoes claiming FA's just cuz a route doesn't have bolts or chalk on them like Mini Me on Wall Street.

Any climb you don't soil yourself is a good climb.

A Brown Point is what you do in your pants when you take a huge whipper and all of your pieces bar the last one zipper.

Seriously, just off the news: both brown and yellow points are pertaining to top roping ONLY. And no Eliot you did not make it up. The term has been out since at least 2004 from my recollections.
Now riddle me this: what are the green and white points? Aha!

Greg D wrote: You guys are so cute. "Having made it up". We were using the term brown point twelve years ago. And we defined it then. And it is very likely someone used the term before us.

We joked about it in highschool. And that was the 80's. Elliot wasn't born yet.

At the time, we joked that a redpoint was at the base of the cliff at the site of a failed free-solo attempt. A Brownpoint was at the base of a nearly-failed free-solo attempt.

Mark E Dixon wrote: Sorry Hank, but if Ellenor is taking Eliot's side, the debate's over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgFUPf4fBLo

Tony B wrote: We joked about it in highschool. And that was the 80's. Elliot wasn't born yet.

If only I had known that other people tried to make a joke about brown pointing before I was born! Drat... Now I look like I'm reusing jokes and fads from previous decades, and we can't have that.

Who is joking?
Btw white point is a red point at night with artificial light, black point is a red point at night without artificial light, green point is a all trad on sight of a sport route, eclipse is a solo flash at night without artificial light. Well i think that should enrich your spray arsenal quite a bit!

It's very interesting how the original term "red point" came about.

What about high point, where you inhale and don't exhale until you finish the problem / route.

^^^that's why I hate the smell of pot at the crag. Btw herb pointing voids the climb altogether..and you can't be claiming on sight if you ever do it again without the pot after you've already herb pointed it.

Bill Wa wrote:...and you can't be claiming on sight if you ever do it again without the pot after you've already herb pointed it.

Not that this is a coherent thought, but I think I understand what you're trying to say. I've always looked at it from a different perspective. I never remembered routes when I smoked regularly. I'd get partway up a route, have a vague recollection of it, and call that ascent my Stoner's Onsight.

You ever find it ironic/interesting that so many pot smokers have a much better grasp on reality than you, Elena? That's an honest question.