Where The Access Fund Should Put A Big CHUNK OF $$$$
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Locker wrote:"Don't smoke weed in front of other peoples kids" Don't drink BOOZE or fucking CIGS either. Why pick only on weed?Because the government says weed is bad but alcohol and tobacco is fine. To the OP, I completely agree with where you are coming from. I have thought for a while now that gyms need to be more responsible for the beast they are creating. I've thought about a "how to poop in nature" brochure being in all Gyms, but this is next level, you hit so many more topics. Gyms shouldn't stop at just the belay check, they should also teach proper outdoor etiquette and stewardship as well. |
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AF has actually started a program trying to help educate gym climbers in the transition to outdoor climbing. There's more material and a prg to get it out. . . |
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White Privilege wrote:My suggestion would be to close climbing gyms. They are having hugely negative impacts on the real climbing community (and bouldering). Capitalism and climbing don't mix well.I like that. A real dedicated climber will have his or her own home wall for training..no more untrained noobs from the gym taking up space or trying to be instant sport climbers starting on 5.10 cuz that's what their gymmaster said they can climb. ..... and when winter comes, they tough it out and do cold rock or become ice climbers for the season to keep the adrenaline running strong. |
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Gyms arent the problem. Humans and their/our lack of understanding (thats a simplification) is a/the key issue. a lack of understanding of our purpose, our role, our impacts. |
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So the access fund should teach a class on your opinions? Piss off, I listen to my Skynyrd on full blast, come down to Moores Wall and find me. |
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I agree with the OP. |
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skitch wrote:From what I've been seeing lately the largest source of contention between land managers and climbers can solely be placed on the "big city gym climbers" going to the "real rock" and making a huge mess. I know that this is not being caused by all city climbers, but mostly the young'ns that haven't been mentored like most older climbers were. More attention needs to be placed on providing direction and training directed towards the gym kids. My suggestion would be to have the Access Fund provide classes at gyms through-out the country, possibly free with a membership at the gym and possibly done with volunteers. The class would teach new climbers how to behave properly when they make their big trips to the "real rock". Some subjects/topics/ideas that need to be portrayed to these people would include the following *Poop in toilets/wag bags or BURY IT FAR AWAY FROM OTHERS *NO MUSIC AT CRAGS OR BOULDERS *Keep your dog under control-digging and chasing wildlife should not be accepted! *Be friendly towards other climbers-I'm talking to you Boulderites!!! *Take turns on boulder problems, just because this is your one trip to the Buttermilks for the year doesn't mean you should cut in front of the other 5 people that are trying the same problem as you. *Don't create new parking spots just because you can *When it's crowded maybe you don't need to do 5 TR laps on your warm up *When camping do not burn pallets, the locals "get to" clean up all those f-ing nails to prevent others from getting flats, especially since people move fire rings constantly... *Don't kick the sage brush just because you fell off of your project (that you're not even close to sending) *If you bring 20 people with you to the crag you best be willing to share your rope and or draws on the routes you and all your friends are hogging *Don't smoke weed in front of other peoples kids *Nobody wants to hear about how close you were to sending "the game", but if you want everyone to laugh at you behind your back, then go on buddy.This is 'merica bruh, ima roast bowls and kick bushes where I want. |
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Stoned, |
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The Access Fund is currently in the process of developing a program called "Gym to Crag," which will educate gym climbers on proper outdoor safety and ethics. This is in addition to their ongoing programs like Gym Education, Youth Stewardship, and videos. This program is still in development, but should be rolling out sometime in 2014. |
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David Sahalie wrote:know what I hate? people.... at MY crag! Every day I'm all like, so who is the chuffnugget that is projecting MY warm-up?!First of all, is this YOUR crag? Is it on your land? If not, then it is not YOURS!!! If it is public property, other people are welcome to be there. Next, people projecting your warm up? I'm sorry but did you start out climbing 5.whatever you doing? No, you didn't. When you were new to climbing you probably climbed the same grade routes. Finally, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU HAVE PRIORITY?!?!?!?!?!?!!? You are not the only person at the crag, you are not the only climber in the world, so please, GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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They should put up signs at every crag reminding people if they have all their gear so locker doesn't blow his top every weekend. |
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Woodchuck ATC wrote: or become ice climbers for the season to keep the adrenaline running strong.Slow your roll Woodchuck! You know as well I do people do dumb shit in the winter too. The gym's warm in January.. stay there. |
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"Part of coming to a greater understanding may be seeing that we don't need some of these things, like we don't really need guns. |
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David Sahalie wrote: sarcasm (ˈsɑr kæz əm) n. 1. harsh or bitter derision or irony. 2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark. re-read with the above definition in mind but I really do hate kids at the crag... and beanies.BE NICE! The poor kid is from the east coast, therefore he shouldn't be expected to pick up on sarcasm or have a sense of humor. |
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I'm a land owner. The hunting groups worked for 20 years with the bumper stickers: ask before you hunt, before I noticed it working. It takes a while. At the crag, if you see a problem: point it out in as non-confrontational manner as you can and move on. It will take a while, but it will slowly sink in and you'll sleep better. It sounds like the proposed poster program the AAC is working on is a step in the right direction. Be patient, they're new and clueless. Many of us were. |
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Are these the posters people are referring to? This is not my handy work. |
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I think another prong to this approach, if not already mentioned, is doing what we can to make gym climbing it's own separate thing. I think all the companies that want to just make loads of money off of climbing should figure out how to do so entirely from revenue generated from people exclusively using climbing gyms. Either that or the people that just want to make loads of money off of climbing should find a different market to exploit. Our outside areas are too precious of a resource to be squandered by companies looking to expand their profits. |
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Jake, I know that's how it works now, and I would say that has everything to do with the fact that people who only climb in gyms are traditionally frowned upon. |
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Jake and Justin, |
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Ian Stewart wrote:Assholes don't sign up for classes that teach them how to not be assholes...Time to cull the Herd. I recommend setting up Machine gun nests outside of all Gyms and major bouldering areas. |