Mokuleia Wall, Oahu

I will be visiting Oahu next month and was hoping to get some climbing in. Does anyone know if Mokuleia Wall is still closed?

It is closed because of too much comfortizing

The Moke is still closed, as is the Jungle, Makapu, etc. As I understand it, a bill is working its way through legislature that would give the State sovereign immunity for climbing only on state trust lands, much like the State has for water activities. A similar effort was killed by HI trial lawyers in the Spring.

Have you climbed at Moke? It is quite good, and well equiped with titanium hardware courtesy of Climb Aloha. It would be a shame if it remains lost. I haven't been back to Hawaii since closure, partially because of it.

I haven't climbed there but it looks good. Guess that leaves more time for diving.

climbing in hawaii seems mildly retarded to me like there must be something wrong with you if you were inclined to do it.

There is this sport called surfing that is really neat there though.

5.samadhi wrote:climbing in hawaii seems mildly retarded to me like there must be something wrong with you if you were inclined to do it. There is this sport called surfing that is really neat there though.

Some of the best climbing of my life has been done in Bermuda. Islands offer a unique experience, don't discount them.

Unfortunately, there probably aren't enough climbers in Hawaii or climbs to get the Access Fund involved. I do hope there is a positive resolution soon.

5.samadhi wrote:climbing in hawaii seems mildly retarded to me like there must be something wrong with you if you were inclined to do it.

Hell yea, all the climbing in Hawaii is choss. That is why I have spent thousands of hours supporting Hawaii's climbing climate, and why the community has invested over $10,000 in route development.

Take a look at some of the photos of the choss:





















The only thing worse than the climbing is the view:

nicelegs wrote: Unfortunately, there probably aren't enough climbers in Hawaii or climbs to get the Access Fund involved. I do hope there is a positive resolution soon.

We have about 500 climbers, and the Access Fund has been very involved. They flew their public policy director, R.D., to Hawaii. I walked around the capitol with him trying to lobby the senate and house. The Access Fund has done everything they possibly can do, including offering to purchase the [completely worthless] land, insure the land against liability for the state, create wavers, create a liability mitigation management program, and everything else under the sun. However, the State's policy is that they will not authorize roped climbing in Hawaii without complete, utter immunity from lawsuits, even though the State has never been sued, nor has anyone ever threatened to sue the State over a climbing injury. The State is completely, utterly unwilling to reach any type of compromise with the community or the Access Fund.

For those that are unfamiliar, awhile back a girl got seriously injured climbing (falling rock). Immediately after the State banned all roped climbing in the area (which later propagated to banning all roped climbing almost everywhere). The State said that since someone was injured, they were not willing to "take the risk" of a rock climber suing the State, even though no climbing-related suit has ever been filed against the State in our 20-year climbing history.

Cool well I am coming in April so now maybe I think I will take my climbing gear along with my board

20 kN wrote: For those that are unfamiliar, awhile back a girl got seriously injured climbing (falling rock). Immediately after the State banned all roped climbing in the area (which later propagated to banning all roped climbing almost everywhere). The State said that since someone was injured, they were not willing to "take the risk" of a rock climber suing the State, even though no climbing-related suit has ever been filed against the State in our 20-year climbing history.

Awesome pics, and interesting background. Do you happen to know if there is any precedent for an injured climber successfully suing a state outside of HI? Seems like a pretty flimsy reason, but I guess I don't really know!

Dan Austin wrote: Awesome pics, and interesting background. Do you happen to know if there is any precedent for an injured climber successfully suing a state outside of HI? Seems like a pretty flimsy reason, but I guess I don't really know!

In the case of legitimate negligence on the behalf of a gym or guiding company, yes. But I am not personally aware of a climber suing a public landowner anywhere in the USA. I asked the Access Fund this and I believe they said they only knew of one incident ever.

5.samadhi wrote:climbing in hawaii seems mildly retarded to me like there must be something wrong with you if you were inclined to do it. There is this sport called surfing that is really neat there though.

I wouldn't make a trip to Hawaii just to climb (even if the crags were open) but if you're there for any other reason the Mokuleia Wall is well worth a visit. Some very nice lines in a really beautiful setting.

You can go to Waimea Bay and do some bouldering. If the Moke does every reopen, be sure to bring EXTRA water my wife and I ran out but luckily we where on the way out. Also, keep your head up when hiking out there I almost walked into a nasty looking spider ( I mean NASTY, and I'm not afraid of spiders ) that had a web across the whole trail.

Emil Briggs wrote: I wouldn't make a trip to Hawaii just to climb (even if the crags were open) but if you're there for any other reason the Mokuleia Wall is well worth a visit. Some very nice lines in a really beautiful setting.

oh the crags are closed?

5.samadhi wrote: oh the crags are closed?

A reopening of the crag was implicit to the comment. But hey you knew that.

5.samadhi wrote: It is closed because of too much comfortizing

Hawaii is basalt, not limestone.

5.samadhi wrote: climbing in hawaii seems mildly retarded to me like there must be something wrong with you if you were inclined to do it

And then, after a fairly complete discussion of the crag's closure...

5.samadhi wrote:oh the crags are closed?

Certainly the phrase "mildly retarded" is appropriate for someone who's memory, attention span and comprehension is clearly limited. Now, if we could somehow limit your typing...

For more info, call Mike at Climb Aloha (climbaloha.com).

They closed my crag!