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BD Cyborg Pro?

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Marty Wells · · Fort Collins, CO · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 15

Are the cyborgs a good all-around crampon or are they mostly for steep ice?

Scott Robertson · · Portland, OR · Joined Jun 2002 · Points: 110

General though is vertically oriented front points can be better for ice routes as they have less purchase on snow, but depending on snow conditions they can work fine. Horizontally oriented front points have more surface area and 'hold' better in snow generally.

Do you anticipate doing more glacial travel/steep snow or rock/ice pitches?

That might help you choose the right crampon. But they could be a good all around crampon depending on what you want to climb. I have a pair of Sabretooths that I break out for mostly steep snow/glacier stuff, and save the cyborgs for the more technical stuff, but I've used them on routes as easy as the south side of Mt. Hood (which is really easy...).

Hope this helps.

Garret Nuzzo Jones · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 1,436

Get two pairs of crampons and you'll be happier. Monopoints for ice and horizontal points for anything outside of waterfall ice. Sure, you can use Sabretooths for climbing WI5, but they don't feel half as secure as a pair of Stingers.

Dobson · · Butte, MT · Joined Oct 2011 · Points: 215

Honestly, the Cyborgs work fine for glacier slogging. Sabertooths are more stable, but the choice of crampon isn't your limiting factor. It's not like a climber will often bring both glacier crampons and technical crampons on a single climb. They just pick one that works best on the important parts.

If you have to pick one, choose the best one for your favorite kind of climbing.

michael voth · · Ft. Collins, CO · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 75

hey marty, its mike from skool. get the cyborgs, i use them. havent used my sebertooths since i got them.

Andrew Mayer · · Driggs, ID · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 131

Any horizontal frontpoint crampon (sabretooth) is a "better all around" crampon than a vertical frontpoint crampon such as the cyborgs.

That being said, they can go either way. I know people that climb WI5/M6 in sabretooths (horizontal frontpoints) where as I use my cyborgs for a wide range of things from WI4 to ski mountaineering snow climbs to summer mountaineering, etc.

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