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chuffnugget · · Bolder, CO · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 0
J. Albers · · Colorado · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 1,926
Ben Beckerich wrote:A bunch of socially inept, unemployed guys claimed, for themselves, ownership over an activity they can't have any kind of physical control over... and decades later, everyone who participates in this activity is expected to conform to those so-called "ethics," to the point that a violation, even inadvertent, will result in national public humiliation. lol I love to climb... but oh man I can't fucking stand climbers.
Amen Ben. Most of the whining comes from people on SuperTaco. That's why I always ignored the Taco when I lived in CA because even though it was the "local" forum for my climbing areas, I couldn't stand the drivel that went on there. The funny thing is that most of the dudes screaming the loudest cannot even climb the routes they are whining about. Its almost as if bitching is its own activity.
Sorden · · Estes Park, CO · Joined Sep 2003 · Points: 95
Ben Beckerich wrote:a violation, even inadvertent
Inadvertent? He didn't even attempt to contact the FA (according to the FA.)

If this generation isn't shamed into adherence to old ethics, what do you think the next generation is going to shamelessly do to existing routes?

Lucky for them, everyone who gives a shit now will be gone. The old ethics will be cast aside and rewritten by the new masters of the universe, and so it goes...
Abram Herman · · Grand Junction, CO · Joined May 2009 · Points: 20
Gaylord.Primrose · · boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0

funny no one caught onto the bolt added then removed and patched on englishmans home.

J Q · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 50

I love how some people get their ethics jammed in their crack and then feel the need to pontificate about their meaningless their smelling problems. No one outside a turd sniffer cares about your balled up panties, and a very few climbers actually sniff turds.

For you I say don't worry. If there is any water, access, or pursuit of happiness left in ten years, I am sure your ego will remain the size and description of your balls: huge, inflamed, and red from all the posturing and comparing.

Question: If I do a line first wearing a wig and bat-wings, while hanging a ten pound bowling ball off of my ass, can I claim a first ascent and force others to the same meaningless ethic?

Now can the rest of use not concerned with ball size get on with the business of rock climbing?

chuffnugget · · Bolder, CO · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 0

The amazing thing is that the FA toproped it to hell, placed bolts and pitons on rappel creating artificial run outs and then sent the 12c with preplaced gear.

Then it sat for 25 years.

.. and this is considered a fine and legitimate style by trads, Sooo much better than horrid sport climbing.

Gaylord.Primrose · · boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0

true story, pretty lame overall, just some washed up 80's climber who wants his claim to fame for some mediocre half assed route where gays go to sun bath. every other route is bolted on that choss pile why not bolt that?

Sorden · · Estes Park, CO · Joined Sep 2003 · Points: 95

And thus you've identified your generation. Thanks for making my point.

Gaylord.Primrose · · boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0
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David B · · Denver, CO · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 205

It takes more of an ego to retro-fit a route because you want to climb it than to leave it for those who are capable of climbing it in its historical condition. There are more sport climbs in the Midwest than anyone could climb in a lifetime. Why bolt this one?

Obviously there are exceptions, but the FA ethic serves a purpose other than to stroke the FA-ers ego. It preserves climbs of all types for climbers of all types.

Cor · · Sandbagging since 1989 · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 1,445

If you can not, leave it. Just like chipping, etc.

Very simple.

Keep wild places wild, that is why we have, say national parks, etc.
Same goes for climbing. Keep wild climbs wild.

I will not bash CW, but whatever, a mistake was made.
He said sorry, and would repair it to the original state if the FA wanted.

That's that. And no I am not his friend. Now let's go climb, it's summer!

chuffnugget · · Bolder, CO · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 0

Wild? Ddue TRed it repeatedly and placed bolts and pins on rappel. What is wild about that?

csproul · · Pittsboro...sort of, NC · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 330
David Sahalie wrote:Wild? Ddue TRed it repeatedly and placed bolts and pins on rappel. What is wild about that?
What's trad about that?
Locker · · Yucca Valley, CA · Joined Oct 2002 · Points: 2,349

It's a fucking rock! Go have fun PLAYING on it. Making it out to be more is nonsense!

Just do your best to not fuck things up for those following in your footsteps.

Rick Blair · · Denver · Joined Oct 2007 · Points: 266

Here goes my most inflamatory post ever.

I will probably never be able to climb 5.12 trad or sport, just not that dedicated or skilled. I have respect for people who can and the pioneers like Kor etal. I also have tremendous respect for authors of books on climbing.

After reading all of these threads and comments for entertainment value...... the internet beat down that went on here of Chris and the ball cupping of well known climbers is absolutely pathetic.

MPoster · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2013 · Points: 5
CJC wrote:what's the deal with this Gaylord person? posts deleted by mods in every thread? ban this fuck already he's got issues.
He joined the same day BSheriden was blocked from posting. Anyone care to out this boothole so we can give him the bum rush? I'lll gladly step up and deliver.
rging · · Salt Lake City, Ut · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 210

Why are people so active about a passive device?

kirra · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 530

great thread! 2funny<:)

Ben Beckerich wrote:I love to climb... but oh man I can't fucking stand climbers.
wanna climb?
Tom-onator · · trollfreesociety · Joined Feb 2010 · Points: 790

Burn the witch!

David Sahalie wrote:It's better than cable
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Yikes
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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