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Preserve this memorial and piece of climbing history.

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By phil broscovak
Aug 21, 2013

I'm sorry but I think Randy would be upset with being memorialized by the rock being defaced with tawdry graffiti.

By Tyson W.
From: South Lake Tahoe, CA
Oct 27, 2013

So your suggestion is to keep defacing the rock until the memorial is indistinguishable and even more of an eye sore?

By John Wilder
From: Las Vegas, NV
Oct 27, 2013

Tyson, Phil didn't deface the memorial. it's been that way for years and years. I think the scratches appeared within months of the engraving.

By Tyson W.
From: South Lake Tahoe, CA
Oct 27, 2013

I didn't imply he did. I just don't see how his comment is constructive. I was ignorant of the history of the climb as well as Randal's contributions to Red Rocks when I first saw this engraving. Without it, I and many others probably still would be.

I didn't make the engraving, Phil didn't try and scratch it out.
I'm not here to argue whether or not the act of the engraving was a good thing or a bad thing. People who knew him obviously put it in place in remembrance of their friend.

The fact is that this is a part of the climb now, and it makes a connection to a big piece of the area's climbing history. Does an engraving, err sorry, "tawdry graffiti" need to be 1,000 years old to be historically valuable?

By John Wilder
From: Las Vegas, NV
Oct 28, 2013

Sorry, Tyson, but you absolutely implied he did- if you didnt intend to, that's fine, but it reads like you assume that he did it. Just clarifying for the record.

By Colonel Mustard
From: Reno, NV
Oct 28, 2013

For the record, JW, that's a pretty simplistic misreading. One could argue that it's willful even. I guess it's a convenient - if completely baffling - sidestep.

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Preserve this memorial and piece of climbing history.

Submitted By: Tyson W. on Jul 10, 2013
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Great Red Book (5.8 5b 16 VI- HVS 4c )