Shoplifting at Neptune Mountaineering?

Aric Datesman wrote: If that's so, why the constant drone on the forums about Return Every Item? And I don't suppose you've ever been to one of their garage sales? Lots of stuff that was clearly used once and returned. And that doesn't include any of the stuff like climbing gear, which they can't resell and have to destroy. Believe what you will though... I'm only commenting on what I've personally seen there over the past 25+ years.

Dude... he is argreeing with you. Why are you still argueing?

I worked there part time for several years and would agree that probably 1 in 1,000 actually end up abusing the return policy. REI also have a system in place to flag people who are known abusers of the program and they will tell them to basically get lost after a while.

EricSchmidt wrote: Dude... he is argreeing with you.

Argreeing...I like it.

Ben Brotelho wrote: Argreeing...I like it.

Ooops typo, I am not a pirate. Agreeing*

mmmm ... REI ...

much to do about nothing ;)

EricSchmidt wrote: Dude... he is argreeing with you. Why are you still argueing? I worked there part time for several years and would agree that probably 1 in 1,000 actually end up abusing the return policy. REI also have a system in place to flag people who are known abusers of the program and they will tell them to basically get lost after a while.

Well, for starters I don't think he is. But mainly because I've been stuck car camping on a beach for the past 3 days and the total lack of trees and terrain is driving me nuts.

Anyway, I guess the bigger question is whether you made use of your employee discount while working there? After if the arguement is that REI is the Great Satan for driving out mom&pop, wouldn't their employees, who got their gear even cheaper, be a worse evil?

On a side note, I find it odd that there's all this hate for REI and none for EMS. Is it just because west-coasters have never heard of it? Also odd that folks seem to forget that REI used to actually *make* climbing gear, and at a time when commercial options were a lot less limited. And then there's the whole why isn't there hate on BD for out competing the original Wired Bliss, HB, etc?

Ugh. Can't wait to get off this beach. Word of warning- while it may seem cool to camp with the wild pony-sized horses at Assateague in MD, when you get there you'll realize the reality is that wild horses roaming around the campground means there's horseshit everywhere. And RV's that run the generator at 7:00 am sharp so they can make coffee and watch the morning news.

Aric Datesman wrote: Word of warning- while it may seem cool to camp with the wild pony-sized horses at Assateague in MD, when you get there you'll realize the reality is that wild horses roaming around the campground means there's horseshit everywhere. And RV's that run the generator at 7:00 am sharp so they can make coffee and watch the morning news.

dont worry, not too many climbers will be heading your way anytime soon man.

Because there's no climbing on the east coast, right? Oh, or is it because climbers don't like camping?

Aric Datesman wrote: Anyway, I guess the bigger question is whether you made use of your employee discount while working there? After if the arguement is that REI is the Great Satan for driving out mom&pop, wouldn't their employees, who got their gear even cheaper, be a worse evil?

I think you have been out in the sun too long, you aren't making much sense. Yes I used the prodeal while working there, otherwise I wouldn't have taken a job making minimum wage!

Im having a hard time following your train of thought but you are saying the employees making $8 an hour who are getting the SAME prodeals as everyone else in the industry are the true evil? I know you are being facetious with your question but still it doenst make much sense.... They would get the same prodeals if they worked at the mom and pop store.

Believe what you will with your "25+ years of experience" but I worked there for years and knew what went on behind the scenes. Obviously REI is doing very well as a company and if their return policy was hurting them th ey would change it.

EricSchmidt wrote: I think you have been out in the sun too long, you aren't making much sense. Yes I used the prodeal while working there, otherwise I wouldn't have taken a job making minimum wage! Im having a hard time following your train of thought but you are saying the employees making $8 an hour who are getting the SAME prodeals as everyone else in the industry are the true evil? I know you are being facetious with your question but still it doenst make much sense.... They would get the same prodeals if they worked at the mom and pop store. Believe what you will with your "25+ years of experience" but I worked there for years and knew what went on behind the scenes. Obviously REI is doing very well as a company and if their return policy was hurting them th ey would change it.

So close, but still swing and a miss, Eric. My point is that if the problem with REI is that it drove out Mom&Pop, then those who pride ales through them are especially at fault, as they *should* have supported M&P regardless of being able to pay less. So yeah, you're part of the problem, and clearly even moreso than those who simply shop there.

You also missed the part about REI being historically a keystone of recreational climbing by way of not only selling gear (often long before M&P came on the scene), but by *making it* as well. Hell, I still wear my REI harness on occasion, as it's more comfortable than my modern harness even though it has no padding whatsoever!

Aric Datesman wrote: So close, but still swing and a miss, Eric. My point is that if the problem with REI is that it drove out Mom&Pop, then those who pride ales through them are especially at fault, as they *should* have supported M&P regardless of being able to pay less. So yeah, you're part of the problem, and clearly even moreso than those who simply shop there. You also missed the part about REI being historically a keystone of recreational climbing by way of not only selling gear (often long before M&P came on the scene), but by *making it* as well. Hell, I still wear my REI harness on occasion, as it's more comfortable than my modern harness even though it has no padding whatsoever!

I do not understand a word you are saying... Trying thinking about what you want to say before you type it and possibly using spell check as well.

Mr. Datesman, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Aric Datesman wrote:Because there's no climbing on the east coast, right? Oh, or is it because climbers don't like camping?

climbers and ponies dont mix well usually. see any old retired people there with their grandkids? come north to CT where the whole state is made of rock, you can camp in my yard and see the chop wars up close that R&I pulled out of their arses.

Aric Datesman wrote: So yeah, you're part of the problem, and clearly even moreso than those who simply shop there.

Ill try dumbing it down for you Aric...How is a person who takes a job making minimum wage(after not being able to get hired on at a "mom and pop" store) directly at fault for driving said "mom and pop" store out of business?

This time before you hit submit, proof read what you just wrote and make sure its a coherent sentence and also use spell check. We are all rooting for you!

EricSchmidt wrote:This time when before you hit submit, proof read what you just wrote and make sure its a coherent sentence and also use spell check. We are all rooting for you!

That's good advice..Never thought I'd say this- but maybe you should listen to yourself every once and a while.

Alphonse wrote: That's good advice..Never thought I'd say this- but maybe you should listen to yourself every once and a while.

I was editing that as you replied... Just like you keep editing your response to try and make it sound more witty :)

Dearest Eric,

If:

1. Neptune's good because local

And:

2. REI bad because it's not locally based

And:

3. REI bad because it undercuts Neptune's prices due to larger discounts from larger purchases

Then:

4. People buying at a discount from REI are an even bigger problem than REI itself.

Clear enough for you?

Aric Datesman wrote:Dearest Eric, If: 1. Neptune's good because local And: 2. REI bad because it's not locally based And: 3. REI bad because it undercuts Neptune's prices due to larger discounts from larger purchases Then: 4. People buying at a discount from REI are an even bigger problem than REI itself. Clear enough for you?

Employees receiving prodeals are not that same thing as buying at a discount from REI. Pretty simple really, not sure where your confusion is coming from?

They would receive the same discount if they worked at a mom and pop store, however those mom and pop stores do not hire nearly as many people or as often as REI. So instead of having an unemployed local that local now has a job and is able to suppourt the local community! Crazy I know!

Logic isn't your strong suit, is it, Eric?

c'mon shmithead! Your inflammatory trolling is annoying and makes me want to avoid this website. It was far better without you.

c'mon shmithead! Your inflammatory trolling is annoying and makes me want to avoid this website. It was far better without you.

grampa potate wrote:c'mon shmithead! Your inflammatory trolling is annoying and makes me want to avoid this website. It was far better without you.

So annoying you had to double post!!?