Connecticut sport climbing on the cover of Rock&Ice???

I found all that info doing a few google searches, it was very surprising to say the least. I don't condone outright vandalism however no one person should dictate what goes on in an entire state.

Thankfully I live in AZ. And don't worry i won't be visiting yuppy land CT EVER. CT is the place to use the bathroom between NY and Boston.

nick manning wrote:Thankfully I live in AZ. And don't worry i won't be visiting yuppy land CT EVER. CT is the place to use the bathroom between NY and Boston.

Sounds like you don't know much about CT.

What's AZ then? The best place to cross the border between Mexico and the rest of the US? Or the best place to start a meth lab?

I think an over-looked part of this discussion is the existence of mixed routes in CT. I know that at Chatfield Hollow, Firewall, and West Rock there are at least a couple mixed routes. These are not contrived either. Bolts are only added where they are necessary. The people establishing these routes aren't out to create convenient sport crags. If people actually lead these routes they would understand that. The only fully bolted sport crags in CT are Bear Rock and Pine Ledge which are both complete choss.

I also think that this "grey area" would not be considered grey by 99.99% of logical human beings if they actually tied in and led Fresh Bag or any other of the bolted "trad routes". to even call some of these routes "trad routes" is ridiculous. They are top rope routes. This is how they would be listed in any guidebook in any popular climbing area in the country. There is no reason for Connectikooks to pretend that they are badass, cutting-edge, trad climbers. We aren't. The majority of CT climbers don't even lead.

Anyhow, CT is a beautiful state if you stay on the coast or visit the northern corners. I would hate to have people think of the entire state as a latrine.

"Thankfully I live in AZ. And don't worry i won't be visiting yuppy land CT EVER. CT is the place to use the bathroom between NY and Boston."

Hey! I resent that! I grew up in CT, and may actually be moving back there this year.

I could say a ton of equally distasteful things about AZ, but I'll refrain. I've learned in my short 31 years, that there is good and bad about ANY PLACE one might choose to live.

nick manning wrote:I found all that info doing a few google searches, it was very surprising to say the least.

It's interesting that you had an opinion of what to do about KN before you did some research. And it's funny that you presented it like you were the first person to have that idea.

Nick Manning wrote:I'd bolt up whatever area he frequents and then some.

Nick Manning wrote:I don't condone outright vandalism...

You don't see a discrepancy between those two statements? Methinks you will if given just a little bit of thought.

Nick Manning wrote:..however no one person should dictate what goes on in an entire state.

I fully agree. Unfortunately your answer to someone that tries to dictate the rules is vandalism, which has proven over several decades to be ineffective. In fact, it's proven to backfire on those that have tried it. The result being that the rock and all climbers suffer with a less enjoyable rock climbing experience.

Nick Manning wrote:Thankfully I live in AZ. And don't worry i won't be visiting yuppy land CT EVER. CT is the place to use the bathroom between NY and Boston.

I grew up in CT and lived in AZ for years. Given your shitty attitude, I think it's a great idea that you stay out of CT. Climbing in general doesn't need people with your attitude. I really don't think it's very much different than KN's.

question from non-native -

Are there any climbing spots that can be accessed using commuter rail from nyc? I grew up in CT but haven't been back in much more than a decade.

Rob Davis wrote:question from non-native - Are there any climbing spots that can be accessed using commuter rail from nyc? I grew up in CT but haven't been back in much more than a decade.

Rob: I'm not aware of any that will bring you right to the cliff. There may be some bouldering around Westbrook which could be fairly accessible but hardly worth it.

The Danbury line doesn't get you anywhere near St. John's Ledges in Kent. The Waterbury line gets you about 6 miles from Whitestone Cliff in Plymouth.

The Hartford line can get you to the Kensington station which is about 4-5 miles from Ragged Mountain. The Meridan station is about 5 miles from Hubbard Park, 3 miles from Cathole Pass and 4 miles from Lamentation Mtn.

As far as Firewall is concerned ( mountainproject.com/v/fire-…) I haven't been there in MANY years so really can't comment on the goings on there.

CT is most definently a non public transportation state. I remember getting off the bus in high traffic areas and still having to walk a mile or more.

"I think it's a great idea that you stay out of CT"

you also thought it was a good idea for you to stay out LOL

If its so great why did you move?

See here in AZ we do what we want and don't let some saggy old man dictate what we do.

I find it funny that all the CT natives who moved out west are lecturing me and telling me how I should stay out.

The other funny thing is that the real locals who still climb there seem to have done exactly what I said. They sacked up and bolted several crags, possibly right over some "trad" lines!

Hats off to they guys in CT that had the balls to do this and didn't worry about "oh god you are going to incite the bolt wars! waaaa.."

Is that vandalism? Do you disagree with the bolting that's been done in CT? Because that's exactly what I would do albeit on a bit larger scale.

After looking at some of the CT areas on here it seems like there would be some decent bolted face climbs.

Now on with the bolt rebellion!

Nick Manning wrote:
I'd bolt up whatever area he frequents and then some.

Nick Manning wrote:
I don't condone outright vandalism...

You don't see a discrepancy between those two statements? Methinks you will if given just a little bit of thought.

its only a discrepancy if you think bolting is vandalism. The guys in CT seem to have done just that very thing judging by Brian's website.

Now lets start a dead pool and bet when each area will get chopped!

Nick Manning wrote:..its only a discrepancy if you think bolting is vandalism.

I do consider bolting to be vandalism when done to someone else's route with the sole purpose of revenge.

Nick Manning wrote: And don't worry i won't be visiting yuppy land CT EVER. CT is the place to use the bathroom between NY and Boston.

nick manning wrote:I find it funny that all the CT natives who moved out west are lecturing me and telling me how I should stay out.

I see you're still having trouble with that whole reality thing. Good luck with that.

Lemon, out!

The reality is that you moved away from CT because you think other states including AZ are better.

Its ok I'm sure there is plenty of vandalism for you to climb in CO.

CJC wrote: that's a really shitty attitude. maybe it's time to look at yourself and ask why you need a bolt every 3 feet on a 5.7. you're not a pussy are you?

uh oh first trad tough guy!

Yeah did you lead the 5.7 on two pieces cuz yer tough?

Rob Davis wrote:question from non-native - Are there any climbing spots that can be accessed using commuter rail from nyc? I grew up in CT but haven't been back in much more than a decade.

Rob, you could train it to new haven and take a bus EASILY to the west rock crag and walk no more than 2 blocks and the bonus would be getting dropped off in front of one of the best bars/pub in CT. finish climbing and go have a few tasty cold ones. West Rock will be on Mtn Project in a few months.

That is actually a future proposal to the city govt to open up some other areas, it could actually bring tourism cash to this financially strapped city. we have cliffs that have views of long island and they are perfect for some fixed anchors. people around here dont realize that a good majority of sport cliffs are choss to begin with

guy bon wrote:I think an over-looked part of this discussion is the existence of mixed routes in CT. I know that at Chatfield Hollow, Firewall, and West Rock there are at least a couple mixed routes. These are not contrived either. Bolts are only added where they are necessary. The people establishing these routes aren't out to create convenient sport crags. If people actually lead these routes they would understand that. The only fully bolted sport crags in CT are Bear Rock and Pine Ledge which are both complete choss. I also think that this "grey area" would not be considered grey by 99.99% of logical human beings if they actually tied in and led Fresh Bag or any other of the bolted "trad routes". to even call some of these routes "trad routes" is ridiculous. They are top rope routes. This is how they would be listed in any guidebook in any popular climbing area in the country. There is no reason for Connectikooks to pretend that they are badass, cutting-edge, trad climbers. We aren't. The majority of CT climbers don't even lead. Anyhow, CT is a beautiful state if you stay on the coast or visit the northern corners. I would hate to have people think of the entire state as a latrine.

amen brother bon

I will say though, I like bolted choss. its what choss should be.

Can't believe I lived at the base of West Rock for year, staring longingly at the cliff daily, scared away by the description in the CT guidebook, and now it's BOLTED???? May have to return to New Haven to sample more good traprock sport climbing.

TRmasta wrote: Rob, you could train it to new haven and take a bus EASILY to the west rock crag and walk no more than 2 blocks and the bonus would be getting dropped off in front of one of the best bars/pub in CT. finish climbing and go have a few tasty cold ones. West Rock will be on Mtn Project in a few months. That is actually a future proposal to the city govt to open up some other areas, it could actually bring tourism cash to this financially strapped city. we have cliffs that have views of long island and they are perfect for some fixed anchors. people around here dont realize that a good majority of sport cliffs are choss to begin with amen brother bon I will say though, I like bolted choss. its what choss should be.

Is a 70m rope required? I've heard conflicting opinions about that.

Johnny Nubbins wrote: Is a 70m rope required? I've heard conflicting opinions about that.

a 70m is required to make everything one pitch

a 50 or 60m works you'll just have to do 2 raps to get down

Joe Kreidel wrote:Can't believe I lived at the base of West Rock for year, staring longingly at the cliff daily, scared away by the description in the CT guidebook, and now it's BOLTED???? May have to return to New Haven to sample more good traprock sport climbing.

BOOM

"Now lets start a dead pool and bet when each area will get chopped!"

I posted this 2/28

didn't even take him a month to start chopping....