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Red Rock Rendezvous 2013 - Apr 5 to 7

Submitted By: Justin Johnsen on Feb 28, 2013


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Scheduled on Apr 5, 2013


RRR 2013 website at Mountain Gear


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By Jon O'Brien
From: Nevada
Mar 6, 2013

Red Rock Rendezvous is a plague of environmental/ user impact upon our park. We sit and trade countless emails about the impact of a bolt or not a bolt while the rendezvous is the single biggest negative ecological impact on our park annually.


meet up groups have been discouraged from gathering en masse and they have honored that, they live here. i can't comprehend why an event that caters to tourists and doesn't care about locals at all is allowed to take place. i personally asked to pay to attend the rendezvous party one year and was NOT allowed entry because I hadn't taken or needed a clinic. i pointed out that i lived in town and just wanted to party with my fellow climbers and i wanted to pay to enter and they did not care and turned me away.


regardless of any ensuing policy change i will never support this gathering. they only care about making money, they trash our park, and we clean up after them with smiles on our faces every year. do us all a favor and don't support this thing.

also can't comprehend that they TAKE the most popular cliffs in the park away from anyone actually traveling here to climb independently. climbing is american in spirit and the rendezvous is the exact opposite: pay to play?! stealing popular cliffs with locusts of prana clad yuppies?! this isn't rock climbing to me and i wish it would go away or stay in the plastic climbing gyms where paying money is already part of the picture.

avoid this event!



my two cents,


jon

By Doug Foust
From: Henderson, Nevada
Mar 6, 2013

Hey Big Jon!

How are you my friend?

I've attended the RRR many years ago, climbed in the canyons that weekend when not participating, and now work the event as a guide for the American Alpine Institute.

I've always been a fan of the event and thought it was a fun gathering to gain some knowledge and meet fellow climbers from all over the country.

Another secret is...during the weekend, all the participants are at single pitch crags and the canyons are empty. 3 years ago I climbed Bourbon Street the saturday of RRR and we were the only party on Whiskey Peak.

I know it is a lot of climbers gathering in Red Rock at the same time. But all in all I think they do a great job of minimizing impact and respecting the resource. There is also a service project every year in conjuction with the CLC to give back a bit.

Also, at that time of year, the crags are always crowded with visitors from out of town, festival or not.

Although this is great PR for Mountain Gear, I don't think anyone is getting rich off the event. They are getting a lot of good promo, and good will(maybe not from you) but I don't think it is a huge money maker.

I can understand that you are upset not being able to attend as a local. This came about many years back that some local non-climbers showed up and got trashed. So they put in place a policy that if you didn't take clinics you had to sign up with someone who did at a reduced price to get the dinner and drinks. That wasn't intended to keep local climbers out, but keep out the non-climbers that just wanted to get trashed. I think that they are easing up on it. I think the cost for attendence without clinics is $50 but you get a couple nights of refreshments and a dinner along with some swag.

I can understand you being hesitant, come on out this year, let's have a beer, then head back into the canyons and you'll have it all to yourself.

I hope all is well.

Cheers,

Doug

By John Hegyes
From: Las Vegas, NV
Mar 10, 2013

I second Jon's complaints. It's beyond my comprehension why the BLM would allow such a high-impact event to repeatedly occur in Red Rock. His remarks about how we squabble over such small activities such as the placement of a single bolt, and about how small groups such as Meetup are banned from Red Rock are right on target. Red Rock is suffering seriously from over-popularity. Can the Rendezvous give it a rest for a couple years and maybe hold this event elsewhere? Red Rock Canyon suffers in concrete, measureable ways during this event; the benefits to the land are intangible and illusory. Save Red Rock, stop the Rendezvous!

By Xavier Wasiak
From: Las Vegas, NV
Mar 10, 2013

Every year the event comes to town, I hear arguments for and against the RRR. I can see both, but I admit that my perception of those costs/benefits is somewhat superficial and experiential. I have never really tried to take a hard look at it or research it. I proposed to take a hard look at what this event means to us, and for better or worse, share the information. I do not think that new information will necessarily change anyone's feelings toward the event, but maybe it will give us some good information about how to approach/plan for future events, especially in discussions with our land managers. If anyone wants to help, it is appreciated. Ideally a balance of peeps who do not care for it and some other peeps who see it as a good. Post, or send me a message.

By Doug Foust
From: Henderson, Nevada
Mar 11, 2013

John H.,

I respect your opinion, but I think you mis-represent a couple of things in your post.

The BLM has talked to Meetup about limiting the size of thier groups, but has in no way banned them. On saturday, between 2 Meetup hiking groups, there were 68 people hiking in Red Rock. That's about 10% percent of the total attendence of the RRR, so if you look at Meetup over time, they have much more of an impact than the RRR.

Also, the discussion over bolting isn't over one single bolt, it's over bolting policy which will lead to many new routes and hundreds of bolts if not more. I think bolting can be done responsibly in the widerness, but the issue does deserve attention.

RRR is one of many large events in Red Rock, there was a marathon this past Saturday.

I agree with Xavier, if people really believe that the RRR has such a large negative impact that is out of the normal for Red Rock, collect some evidance instead of just conjecture.

Red Rock NCA is a very popular tourist destination for many, many user groups, in my opinion, I don't think the RRR has more of an impact than the day after day after day use of all the user groups.

Cheers,

Doug

By John Hegyes
From: Las Vegas, NV
Mar 15, 2013

I was under the impression that BLM has cracked down on large groups like Meetup. A search found this link from 2010. New hike restrictions at Red Rock Not a ban but a permitting requirement and a cap of 20 people per hike. I don't know if this is up to date. I'm fine with such restrictions, Red Rock is being abused by groups such as Meet Up and the Rendezvous. As far as the Marathon, that is confined to the road, or does it go on the trails? Most user impact in Red Rock is confined to road use, and I don't really care about that.

My point is that Red Rock Rendezvous takes advantage of lax oversight by the BLM. Name some benefits that Red Rock gains by hosting the Rendezvous. Do those benefits outweigh the impacts on the land? I think not.

One of the largest impacts from which Red Rock suffers has to do with popularity. The introduction of mostly beginner climbers to this area creates many returning climbers later on. I feel that the Rendezvous is largely responsible for the overall increase of climbers using Red Rock over the years. Have you tried to get on a classic route these days? Most routes are overrun now.

I wish the Rendezvous would move to another climbing area for a couple of years. The truth is that most area managers would never consider such an event. BLM does a horrible job of managing Red Rock and the Rendezvous uses this to their own gain at the expense of the land. No question about it.

As far as Xavier's suggestion that a study by conducted, this sounds like a perfect job for the Las Vegas Climbers Liaison Council. Rather than promoting climbing in Red Rock and advertising this as a way to attract people to the area, I would suggest taking Red Rock "off the map" a little bit. This would be most beneficial to local Las Vegas climbers - this is a stand that a local climber's organization should take. The wag bag initiative has been nice, how about we try to reduce the popularity of the area by eliminating this event, and maybe we'll find that the total amount of wag bags needed will decrease a little.