i witnessed this

Some dude clipped this while I was camping I told him he was dumb he told me it was pine was I wrong drunkenly calling him a moron back at camp?
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Looks good to me. What did he need help crawling back to camp after a few to many?

LOL ... so BOMBER!!! I'd whip on it

Well its SOMETHING ....mind piece or peace of mind piece. It will slow you going down!

Reason to carry an over the shoulder length runner, just to clean up this placement a bit. I see it as excellent directional for the rope, to guide you on level ground to make correct turns back to camp to sober up.

Seriously?

he's right. it's definitely pine.

maybe a directional??? geeze... we're fu*ked!

The real problem is it's not clipped to the rope. Configured like that - it will not pull the pine out. Good to go!

(carabiner-to-carabiner, girth hitched quick draw, clipping to that twig...yeah, solid)

Woodchuck does not climb outside so give him a break!

Looks like its on flat ground... Good guide back to camp.

I've seen "worse" tied off on trad & ice leads.

Are you guys SERIOUS?

Those biners are clipped METAL TO METAL. Very bad. Yer gonna die.

Matt Roberts wrote:Are you guys SERIOUS? Those biners are clipped METAL TO METAL. Very bad. Yer gonna die.

On a serious note - I have always clipped draw on draw using the webbing not metal to metal but I never had a solid rational for why... what's the explanation for this? easyier to become unclipped with biner on biner?

BigJuggsjohnson wrote:Woodchuck does not climb outside so give him a break!

You mean that isn't an indoor pine tree? Well that throws off all my logic now....guess I'll have to reconsider this placement.

Morgan Patterson wrote: On a serious note - I have always clipped draw on draw using the webbing not metal to metal but I never had a solid rational for why... what's the explanation for this? easyier to become unclipped with biner on biner?

Really? Guess there are no qualifications to be a mod on a climbing site...

That pro sucks, but I admit I have placed worse.

Morgan Patterson wrote:On a serious note - I have always clipped draw on draw using the webbing not metal to metal but I never had a solid rational for why... what's the explanation for this? easyier to become unclipped with biner on biner?

That's true, but it's more that carabiners aren't strong in shear, so if two twist against each other they can break. It's the same reason you should be careful not to load one over an edge.

I think the fretting about clipping biner-to-biner is exaggerated, but it's true it's not a good idea.

RockyMtnTed wrote: Really? Guess there are no qualifications to be a mod on a climbing site...

Go easy on the sport climber!

For the angle of the rock, that pine sprig looks just about perfect.

RockyMtnTed wrote: Really? Guess there are no qualifications to be a mod on a climbing site...

Really Ted?

Eric Fjellanger wrote:That pro sucks, but I admit I have placed worse. That's true, but it's more that carabiners aren't strong in shear, so if two twist against each other they can break. It's the same reason you should be careful not to load one over an edge. I think the fretting about clipping biner-to-biner is exaggerated, but it's true it's not a good idea. Go easy on the sport climber!

I was actually thinking the same thing last night watching that "faster transitions" video. He has the masterpoint biner, then clips the autoblock biner onto that. I've always avoided the metal on metal, ie autoblocking right off the masterpoint.

But like Morgan said, never had the solid answer why, I just observed the practice. I just figured it had something to do with overall wear.

Scott McMahon wrote: I've always avoided the metal on metal, ie autoblocking right off the masterpoint.

How do you clip bolts?

Biner-to-biner is fine if they're locking - non lockers can twist and unclip themselves easily.