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By Drew Allan
From: Denver/Aspen
May 23, 2012

Nice job, Todd. But your route table is missing one route compared to the photo. Hence, each route description is for the route to the left in the photo. Thought you would want to know.

By Tzilla Rapdrilla
May 24, 2012

I'll update it and repost, that's easy to fix.

By Dave J
May 24, 2012

There are errors with bolt counts on the other two as well.

By Bill Ballace
From: Pullman,WA
May 24, 2012

Not a bolt count error! I'll never be able to climb something if the bolt count isn't perfect. I can't count bolts from the ground, nor can I back clean, and I never take an extra draw or two. Should I even be climbing?

By Ike Rushmoore
May 24, 2012

Perhaps a safety concern is in order.

By Tzilla Rapdrilla
May 24, 2012

If you're comparing this document to the books in print, you may find a discrepancy, but I'd take a walk up there and check. Some of the routes were retrofitted in the last year or two.

By Dave J
May 25, 2012

Bill, I would think that people would want to know there is an error. I mean, isn't that the point of sharing this? To have updatable information on the internet that can change with live time like Wikipedia instead of a book that has to wait for another edition?

Tod - I'm curious as to who is "retrofitting" as you say. Is this the same as retrobolting? How did this person get permission to go around and retrobolt things based on their own perspective without consulting the community? Is there a form or a vote somewhere to get this status? Is there a way to get the same title for chopping routes? If you are updating old hardware, thank you for doing that, but please do not retrobolt them. These routes have been climbed for decades as is - the community should decide if another bolt is needed, not just one individual. If a vote is taken (like with ACE or FCC) and the majority agrees, then do it.

By slim
Administrator
May 25, 2012

The retrobolting question is pretty void for a rap bolted route. If the job is botched, do you really need to hold a town hall meeting, elect officers, have a debate, have a quorum, have a vote, and have a seance to bless the crowbar? Just fix it.

When someone chooses to rap and bolt, they are admitting that there is no boldness to it (not that this is a bad thing or something to be ashamed of whatsoever). They should bolt it so that a person climbing at that grade has their best chance at climbing it in the best style (i.e. onsight), without worrying about the protection aspect. This is sport climbing. I put rap bolting bold routes at about the same level of lameness as retrobolting ground-up routes without permission.

By Ike Rushmoore
May 29, 2012

Dave,
Once again you sound like an ungrateful whiney douche. Do you realize that Tod bolted and has the FA on many routes up here not to mention the entire Front Range. I doubt he needs your permission to update his routes (not to say that he has). Once again, do Jason a favor and stop posting, you're making him look worse than he already does.

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Submitted By: Tzilla Rapdrilla on May 23, 2012