Roadside Crag, RRG
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Any word on access to the Roadside Crag at the Red River Gorge? The owners demanded that a route be unbolted by the original setters but a few other people said they'd unbolt it if it helped the access issue and it seems as if there were plenty of people willing to pitch in to pick up the area. |
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Go here. redriverclimbing.com/index.php . Search Roadside crag. You will find plenty to read. No, Roadside is not open. |
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Its open if you're willing to pay enough. |
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Leftwich wrote:Its open if you're willing to pay enough.I didn't want to say it. |
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can you elaborate? |
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Javier Licon wrote:can you elaborate?For a very large fee the land owner's will do a guided trip. I think you can google "graining fork nature preserve" (Roadside's real name) |
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sounds like some dirtbag climbers tryin to make a buck at the community's expense. |
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Jeremy Hand wrote:sounds like some dirtbag climbers tryin to make a buck at the community's expense.sounds like a landowner that is unhappy with the way the community has treated his property |
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I am not going to get into whether or not the closure was the right thing to do. However, I will say that I last climbed at Roadside in early 2011 the place was a mess. There are some great routes there, but the place was going downhill fast before the closure. |
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Didn't some climbers get together and buy the property and then close it to other climbers? |
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Jeremy Hand wrote:sounds like some dirtbag climbers tryin to make a buck at the community's expense.Nope. |
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there're a lot of different facets to the roadside closing, and it's sad, since it is such a great crag. But, that said, if I owned property with a crag on it at the RRG, there is no fricking way in hell that I would leave it open to the general public. |
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So climbers bought the property. Said climbers created rules for the property and posted them on the web (people in the red love rules and definitions... maybe because they are mostly from Ohio... by the way that crimp rail is not on for this route). Said rules were not posted in a public place, nor was the website really promoted. |
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camhead wrote:there're a lot of different facets to the roadside closing, and it's sad, since it is such a great crag. But, that said, if I owned property with a crag on it at the RRG, there is no fricking way in hell that I would leave it open to the general public.Agreed. |
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So what is the fee there? |
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Leftwich wrote:Owners came and closed down shit show. They should not have done so because other people have a right to climb there and the owners only had rights in fee simple title. WTF were they thinking?They were thinking, "Hey, we own this land and everyone has treated it like shit. Why should we let people that think they have the 'right' to be on private property trash our property because they have the 'right' to climb there." Just a guess. |
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Sam Stephens wrote: They were thinking, "Hey, we own this land and everyone has treated it like shit. Why should we let people that think they have the 'right' to be on private property trash our property because they have the 'right' to climb there." Just a guess.Fee simple is how an estate in land is held. It is the highest form of property interest that can be had outside of government ownership in our system of law. I meant what I said facetiously. They have every right to do with theirs as they wish. I don't know what it cost. Google cave run bike shop and check their rates. I hope they get some business. |
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Leftwich wrote: Fee simple is how an estate in land is held. It is the highest form of property interest that can be had outside of government ownership in our system of law. I meant what I said facetiously. They have every right to do with theirs as they wish. I don't know what it cost. Google cave run bike shop and check their rates. I hope they get some business.Well then, I apologize. I do a good job of putting my foot in my mouth occasionally. I thought it was some smart phone/iPad typo. |
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Ah, so it is now the exclusive domain of a guiding service. |
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So they bought the land to ensure that access would always be available but closed it down.... |
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I've never been to the Red, but it appears to be going to Satan's domain in a carrying tote. |