I respectfully request..

dexter you are an ass. I am an ass sometimes which gives me the right to judge you.............and you......are an ass!

I am probably wrong about the stream cleaning up after running a mile. It was probably a boy scout thing.

no mention about the water treatment plant? or do you folks just drink directly from the stream? you know the one with moose shit and fish shit in it and whatever else.

admit it dexter......you are probably just a dog hater.

when was the last time you ever seen a dog shit "in a stream"

Jim Gloeckler wrote:dexter you are an ass. I am an ass sometimes which gives me the right to judge you.............and you......are an ass! I am probably wrong about the stream cleaning up after running a mile. It was probably a boy scout thing. no mention about the water treatment plant? or do you folks just drink directly from the stream? you know the one with moose shit and fish shit in it and whatever else. admit it dexter......you are probably just a dog hater. when was the last time you ever seen a dog shit "in a stream"

Jim shitting directly "in a stream" has nothing to do with it. The trail that goes up little cottonwood canyon is literally streamside, if a dog shits 20 feet from the creek where do ya think its going to end up? Come on now jim time to dust off that brain and put it to use! Do you know how gravity and water work??

I have a dog so am not a dog hater. I would rather drink from a stream that has a family of moose living nearby eating berries and grass than 1,000 dogs brought up from salt lake city eating pizza, dog food, ice cream, and whatever else....

I am not sure on the specifics of the water treatment plant but I am assuming it does not have the capabilities to filter out hundreds of pounds of dog shit otherwise the restriction probably wouldnt be in place. I am sure the people that made it a watershed are all just dog haters who did it just to mess with that simpleton Jim from Colorado!

hundreds of pounds? there you go again.

sorry about calling you an ass........just got a bit worked up

traveled over 500 miles to go see a world comp and then had to deal with the creek patrol.

my dog was only 8 weeks old and could fit in my hand still.

just kinda bummed me out........but we found a way to deal with it and see the comp

I still believe that the treatment plant could deal with that.

It just sounded like a "republic of Boulder rule" to me

sorry

As a park ranger, I often convey the fact the we are in rattlesnake country, and at least 1.5 times a year, I have a distressed pet brought to me as a victim of a snake bite. Saving the animal can be expensive and losing it can be heartbreaking.

As a joe blow, if I see a dog taking a shit on or near a trail, then I wait to see if the fido's owner picks up the dump. If they don't I sometimes have a baggy of some sort I offer it to them to use. If they tell me to F-off, then I walk away.

Jim Gloeckler wrote:hundreds of pounds? there you go again.

Why is that so crazy to you? 200 pounds of dog shit could EASILY accumulate in a summer if Little Cottonwood Canyon was opened to dogs. Have you never cleaned up your backyard after ONE dog before? Let alone a whole city full...

Sorry you were disappointed in the local rules, next time do a little research before you get to an area and dont expect people to make an exception just for you like so many dog owners expect. "Its just me and my ONE dog" or "my dog is tiny, he fits in my hands".

I have been corrected occasionally and I must admit my initial sensation is sometimes negative, or even dismissive. But with time, maybe a long time, the emotions subside and the message is then received. When you see something dumb, you are doing the perp a favor to bring it up. They may not thank you, but you've done them a favor.

"The canyons surrounding the Salt Lake Valley provide up to half of the water used by the city's 400,000 water customers. To remove animal waste contaminants from water would cost about four times as much, Reynolds says.

For that additional treatment, each of the city's three canyon water treatment plants would need about $20 million in improvements and would see operations costs rise, she says." FROM: sltrib.com/News/ci_12918790

Pretty easy info to look up Jim. I was right, the treatment plants are not set up to treat that amount of pet waste. Would you like to somehow come up with the extra costs or just continue complaining about something that happened in the 80's...?

Here is why. This is the abbreviated article but you can read the whole one if you'd like.

state.nj.us/dep/watershedmg…

Pet Waste: Dealing with a Real Problem

Pet waste….. can cumulatively have a big impact if left unmanaged.

Pet waste contains bacteria and parasites, as well as organic matter and nutrients, notably nitrogen and phosphorous.

Some of the diseases that can be spread from pet waste are:
• Campylobacteriosis- a bacterial infection that causes diarrhea in humans.
• Salmonellosis- the most common bacterial infection transmitted to humans from animals. Symptoms include fever, muscle aches, headache, vomiting, and diarrhea.
• Toxocarisis- roundworms transmitted from animals to humans. Symptoms include vision loss, rash, fever, or cough.

In addition to these diseases, the organic matter and nutrients contained in pet waste can degrade water quality. When pet waste is washed into a surface water body, the waste decays. This process of breaking down the organic matter in the waste uses up dissolved oxygen and releases ammonia. Low oxygen levels, increased ammonia and warm summer water temperatures can kill fish.

Excess phosphorous and nitrogen added to surface waters can lead to cloudy, green water from accelerated algae and weed growth. Decay of this extra organic matter can depress oxygen levels, killing organisms.

Flies and other pest insects can also increase when pet waste is disposed of improperly, becoming a nuisance and adding another vector for disease transmission.

so what you all are saying is that you do not treat your water for fecal waste no matter what the source? that doesn't sound correct.
so you drink the fish waste too? or am I still missing something.

the species that pollutes this planet the most are us humans.......tell me that's wrong

people washing their dishes in the creek using soap has always been a problem.

and no dexter........i don't want to pay for your water treatment or listen to you much either........I should do more research before going on a trip? were you even around in the eighties?

Think of all the prokaryotes needlessly killed or denied their right to live by denying all dogs their place to poo. The new SLC --- let your shit fly, save the Edangered coli!

Jim Gloeckler wrote:so what you all are saying is that you do not treat your water for fecal waste no matter what the source? that doesn't sound correct. so you drink the fish waste too? or am I still missing something. the species that pollutes this planet the most are us humans.......tell me that's wrong people washing their dishes in the creek using soap has always been a problem. and no dexter........i don't want to pay for your water treatment or listen to you much either........I should do more research before going on a trip? were you even around in the eighties?

Another BRILLIANT post by Jim! Do you have any reading comprehension skills? The article most certainly did not say "you do not treat your water for fecal waste no matter the source". You are def still missing something and I am pretty sure its a brain!

Yes humans pollute a lot. What does that have to do with your dog not being allowed up Little Cottonwood Canyon? I was alive in the 80's, did you kill too many(all) of your brain cells in the 80s? Its gotta be embarrassing being schooled on something so simple by someone so much younger than you!

Adam Stackhouse wrote:As a park ranger, I often convey the fact the we are in rattlesnake country, and at least 1.5 times a year, I have a distressed pet brought to me as a victim of a snake bite. Saving the animal can be expensive and losing it can be heartbreaking. As a joe blow, if I see a dog taking a shit on or near a trail, then I wait to see if the fido's owner picks up the dump. If they don't I sometimes have a baggy of some sort I offer it to them to use. If they tell me to F-off, then I walk away.

Don't they give you guys Tazers for people like that?

OK ya'll. Don't want to join the pissing contest but...I'm currently finishing up an MS. My research and most of my course work deals with water quality, aquatic chemistry, and biogeochemistry--I've been putting a lot of time and effort into stuff like this. I'm not familiar with this specific situation in SLC, but wanted to point out that there are drinking water treatment plants, and then there are waste water treatment plants. Sounds like water from this creek goes to the drinking water treatment plant, which might not have some of the advanced processes necessary to remove some of the more persistent pathogens that could result from loads of dog shit. And then there are all the issues with the stream's ecology, and elevated nutrients in water entering the drinking water treatment plant, which might also raise treatment costs.

As for water being clean after it runs for a mile...this is probably based off of the dilution of some point-source pollution more than UV degradation etc. So doesn't really apply to dog shit laying all over a trail along the length of the stream. And it's definitely not a rule of thumb to bet your digestive tract on, especially not in the lower 48. The Brooks Range, sure.

dexter

the only thing that you are schooling me on is that you are an ass.

you think you are so smart........well there are a lot smarter folks on this site than you or me.

I did not bother reading your article........with no brain cells according to you.......what was I to use?

I am really wondering if you would speak to me like this if we were face to face.

I don't want to argue with you any longer about this, or how many brain cells I might have destroyed in the 80's

enjoy your canyon......enjoy your life

peace out as you youngsters say

water is really good at filtering out UV, the light only penetrates a couple mm. That stat about 1 mile undisturbed is BS.

let me help here- the water from LCC tastes about 1000000 times better than the chlorinated cesspool fed supply in CO.

booyah

mobley,

haven't had tap water for years.

I drink Eldo Spring water............which is probably some of the best water there is.

touche

Keenan Waeschle wrote:That stat about 1 mile undisturbed is BS.

Thank you. Jim go away now, stop spreading your BS around these parts! Get a brain you moran!

DexterRutecki wrote: Thank you. Jim go away now, stop spreading your BS around these parts! Get a brain you moran!

Damn, you are an ass. I too wonder if you are so disrespectful and a giant DB in person. Hopefully there are tazers for people like you.

And its spelled 'Moron'

talkinrocks wrote: And its spelled 'Moron'

Thanks moran, did ya feel the breeze on that one going over your head?