Cochise Stronghold Poo-Bandit

Greg's post is alarming, because there is a toilet right at the cliff's edge, so no need for dumping at the base of the climbs.... Respect The Overlook. And in answer to the argument that this pile of poo is a metaphor for all AZ climbing and AZ climbers, yeah it sucks here. Those basalt splitters on saturday were only 80 feet, hardly worth the 20 minute drive. and yesterday's Sedona sandstone, well it scraped up my hands and i got a sunburn belaying w my shirt off in february. and the other people who were out, loving life, climbing hard, they didn't seem nearly so fun and witty as all the tools posting the same stupid shit on the mp forums every day.

HoBo wrote:Well well well, as soon as the acces to the ET is closed look at what happens. And people wonder why there was so much anamosity towards the AZ crowd for the towers access being shut down. Probably the same lame ass clowns who shitted that place up were shitting up the tower too. AZ has got some serious shit to deal with, no shit.

Well at least you're not blaming it on the Coloradians, Utans, Califorians, Texans, etc.; because they don't poop at the tower when they visit.

Tony B wrote: Someone needs better perceptive skills if they can't tell frantic hand-waiving from a shrug.

Maybe so, because I can't perceive any point to this thread except to make fun of it. No offense Tony, and none taken.

Tim McCabe wrote:Its great that climbing has progressed so much in recent years.

You had me, then you lost me.

How has climbing progressed since the 70s?

Well, other than poop treads on the interwebs.

What I don't understand is people who think they're doing the world a favor by using their TP as some kind of flag. Burn that shit, fools. If you need to poop near a crag (and I mean a real del-taco emergency), do it on a rock and turn it over. And yes, look embarrassed when people around you wonder what stinks. You should feel embarrassed.

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Ball wrote: What I don't understand is people who think they're doing the world a favor by using their TP as some kind of flag. Burn that shit, fools.

Since the discussion seems to center about the relatively dry forests of the Southwestern region here where seasonal closures due to dry conditions are common, it might not be a good idea to burn one's TP at most SW US places?

It seems a common practice in other wetter areas but probably not a real good habit in these parts? Probably better to just carry it out in some way or manner in my view and experience.

Fred

Fred AmRhein wrote: Since the discussion seems to center about the relatively dry forests of the Southwestern region here where seasonal closures due to dry conditions are common, it might not be a good idea to burn one's TP at most SW US places?

OK, let me clarify for those of us with less common sense.

Burn it without causing a forest fire. Don't leave smoking/smoldering pile of TP behind.

I sometimes burn it and push it back in my poo with a stick. Have a problem with that? Maybe someone's dog will cough it up later.

Ball wrote: How has climbing progressed since the 70s?

Well for one thing those don't look like pitons on the rack in your profile pic.

David Sahalie wrote: fair point, but if one can't manage burning their poo paper on a large rock without lighting grass on fire, you deserve whatever fate awaits you.

So no one should ever have to risk anything on lead but if they burn themselves up that's their own fault.

Ball not really sure what your point was.

David obviously you and I could go round and round. You seem to be in favor of making things safe for the masses but then you'll just let them burn for one little mistake.

Colin Cox wrote: Maybe so, because I can't perceive any point to this thread except to make fun of it. No offense Tony, and none taken.

Cool. I guess I didn't get the joke, but I get it now. I was semi-seriously trying to point out that there are 2 perps to think about when a dog is eating poo... the owner of the poo and the owner of the dog. So I wasn't looking for the humor in the comment and missed it. Cheers.

David Sahalie wrote: if one can't manage burning their poo paper on a large rock without lighting grass on fire, you deserve whatever fate awaits you.

Unfortunately, sometimes it's not just the individual that is affected. Just a recent example related to burning TP, whatever a "roll" specifically means is not clear.

thejc.com/news/israel-news/…

More specifically from a year or so ago:

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As excerpted:

The cause of this particular fire was, sadly enough, the good intentions of a participant in the Rainbow Festival that was being held at the site. For ecological reasons, she burned toilet paper she had used so as not to leave it in nature, and in normal circumstances, that would have been the thing to do. However, due to the strong winds and the unseasonable hot air, the dry grasses caught on fire immediately, and the fire spread in four different directions simultaneously.

Source: Jerusalem Post.

I'm not telling you what to do or not to do here but this topic has come up before with respect to the SW forests and their typical dry condition and behavior related to how to dispose of TP. It's pretty clear that regardless of one's intentions or expertise things can go awry and then everybody suffers.

The simple solution to me regardless of weather conditions in this area is to stuff it in a pocket and blame the odor on the nearest dog, child in diapers, dirt-bag partner, etc., or just own up to what is part of the human condition and feel secure that I'm not possibly causing others harm.

Just my view here.

Fred

Ball wrote: Burn that shit, fools.

True to gaper form, I have personally nearly started a brush fire burning poo. Once it starts to burn, the paper falls apart. One gust of wind, and poof, smouldering embers go everywhere.

The ironic part is that, unless you have the world's driest poop, burning tp doesn't actually work that well.

The clean paper burns. The poo-wet patches just get warm.

Am I the only one who caught the irony here? Please pick up your poo in the wilderness so my domestic pet does not eat it...prob unleashed hunting for it I presume....maybe it is potty trained.

Tony B wrote:People who poo where ever and whenever are more or less the same as people who let their dogs run where ever doing whatever. Both of them are making shit happen that shouldn't be happening.

Dow Williams wrote:Am I the only one who caught the irony here? Please pick up your poo in the wilderness so my domestic pet does not eat it...prob unleashed hunting for it I presume....maybe it is potty trained.

No, you are not the only one. But sadly the answers posted do not indicate many, many more.

Tim McCabe wrote: Well for one thing those don't look like pitons on the rack in your profile pic.

You're 10-20 years off, plus I know a guy who used to free climb with pitons. That was in the 60s, not the 70s.

Since then we've added the bosch, the gym, and grade inflation.

Ball wrote: How has climbing progressed since the 70s? Well, other than poop treads on the interwebs.

Regardless of climbing evolution, we've always pooped.
I for one leave my poop out in the open so I can help feed hungry off leashed dogs. They have needs too (and potential Access fund sponsorships).
It's just the tragedy of the commons. More people = more climbers = more poop = more regulation.

Ball wrote: You're 10-20 years off, plus I know a guy who used to free climb with pitons. That was in the 60s, not the 70s. Since then we've added the bosch, the gym, and grade inflation.

I was driving iron on the Magic Mushroom in 90 for the most part that route goes clean now and has even been freed.

But I am totally with you on grade inflation.

David Sahalie wrote: people also train now and get strong, instead of twiddling with gear and calling it climbing.

And hang their way up climbs, with bolts closer together then most bolt ladders, and bag on aid climbers.

Dow Williams wrote:Am I the only one who caught the irony here? Please pick up your poo in the wilderness so my domestic pet does not eat it...prob unleashed hunting for it I presume....maybe it is potty trained.

You let your dog run loose it's going to eat anything and everything it comes across including poo even if it's buried.

Tony B wrote: No, you are not the only one. But sadly the answers posted do not indicate many, many more.

I think you are right mate...one respondent just missed it entirely....guess rocket scientist are not into climbing in AZ..

David Sahalie wrote: people didn't hang in the 80s because 5.10 was the limit

Say what?

Somebody tell Greg Lowe those routes he put up in the mid-60s are 10s.

/usually don't like how threads degrade, but this time I'm loving it

Tim McCabe wrote:You let your dog run loose it's going to eat anything and everything it comes across including poo even if it's buried.

+1

If your dog's kisses smell like Stagg, you can thank me (by buying me more Stagg)

David Sahalie wrote: people didn't hang in the 80s because 5.10 was the limit.

Huh? You know routes like The Grand Illusion were done well before then right?

edit - Ball beat me to it. This thread just proves that no matter the original topic (poop in this case), if it goes past a couple pages there is a high probability of it turning onto a sport vs. trad vs. aid bitchfest.

And this is why I can't stand people bitching about dogs. Most humans are not worth the debt they have incurred. Dogs are the only animals that clean up after us at the crag and they do deserve an access fund sponsorship.

Oh, I am sorry, you left your sandwich out and it got eaten? Than fucking realize that you shouldn't leave your sandwich out. What the hell do you think the wildlife would do with that sandwich if there was any wildlife left?

Dogs should be hugged and kissed for their service(not on the lips)and not chastised. Would you want their jobs? When your dog rolls up at the crag with no leash I go on a mission to feed that poor beast because I love him.

I realize I am full of shit, and that's why I provide such a service.