No Hands GriGri

Ty Harlacker wrote: If your leader takes a fall and there's not enough of a sport loop you will smash their ankles.

I think you have the wrong idea there. You don't want a lot of rope out all the time, the goal is to give in to the fall and not shock load the system. You can have a lot of rope out, sit on the fall, and smash someones ankles as well. With a lot of rope out you won't get hurt as long as you give in to the fall, but bonking 20 feet to get back on the climb every time you take a fall sucks. It's just lazy belaying.

beavs wrote:Is there a precedent in the field of someone being dropped by a belayer using a GriGri totally hands free?

Yes, I've seen it happen with a grigri, and I've heard about it (from the victim) with a Faders Sum. These devices are not intended to be used hands free.

Jay

I heard the gri gri 2 rolls em for you!

R. Moran wrote:I heard the gri gri 2 rolls em for you!

No wonder why they are back ordered!

when I'm belaying and I want to take my hands off the rope, I just tie an overhand on a bight below the device. Maybe this isn't accepted practice, but it seems pretty bomber to me

Mike R. wrote: With a lot of rope out you won't get hurt as long as you give in to the fall, but bonking 20 feet to get back.

No "boinking" not "bonking" unless climbing roofs, otherwise you can jug on the belayers side and get back easily. In that case no worries about smashing ankles though. I totally agree with you as far as giving into the fall. By this I mean jumping up to soften the catch. But sport loops do soften the catch considerably. It lessens the fall-factor. More rope=more stretch

R. Moran wrote:I heard the gri gri 2 rolls em for you!

Oh, shit I'm gonna get two of em'

Never said I let go of the device..

This might be the dumbest thread ever.

Have none of you idiots heard that Gri Gri's are used to rope solo (aid, free, and TR) all the time by scores and scores of people? If they didn't lock don't you think that hearing of another Gri Gri death would be a common thing? If they didn't lock do you think anyone would use one?

I'm sure there are a billion and one ways to screw up using a Gri Gri or ANY belay device. If you can't figure one out by opening it up and looking at it then you might want to think about taking up knitting or some other hobby where the stakes for being a complete and total retard are not quite so big.

Most of us use back up knots but I can promise you that the Gri Gri is going to catch you 100% of the time with or without your hand on the device.

It's fucking made that way you morons.

Bobby Flowers wrote:Never said I let go of the device..

So you let go of the rope but held onto the "device"? Can you please explain how you could do this 100 times?

We place great emphasis on the need to hold the braking side of the rope.
But why?

The term “belay device with assisted braking,” which describes the GRIGRI, indicates that it is not an autolocking device. In fact, you may notice that if you slide your rope slowly through the device (especially for small diameter rope), it does not necessarily lock, and the rope slides freely through it. It’s when you pull the braking side of the rope that the cam rotates to brake the rope.

It is also important to stress the fact that any blocking of the device or the cam will negate the braking action on the rope. This is why it is essential to avoid: grasping the device with your whole hand, keeping your thumb permanently on the cam, blocking the cam, etc.

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BASE1361 wrote:HAHA. Don't feed this troll.

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Yarp wrote:This might be the dumbest thread ever. Have none of you idiots heard that Gri Gri's are used to rope solo (aid, free, and TR) all the time by scores and scores of people? If they didn't lock don't you think that hearing of another Gri Gri death would be a common thing? If they didn't lock do you think anyone would use one? I'm sure there are a billion and one ways to screw up using a Gri Gri or ANY belay device. If you can't figure one out by opening it up and looking at it then you might want to think about taking up knitting or some other hobby where the stakes for being a complete and total retard are not quite so big. Most of us use back up knots but I can promise you that the Gri Gri is going to catch you 100% of the time with or without your hand on the device.

You can promise all you want. It's not true.

Yarp wrote:It's fucking made that way you morons.

The only moron in the thread so far is you.

Jay

I just remember people telling me a grigri is good because if a good size rock were to fall and hurt/kill your belayer, you would still be secure and not fall to your death yourself.

Jay Tanzman wrote: You can promise all you want. It's not true. Jay

Really Jay? If you can come up with one real, actual failure of a Gri Gri, and I mean not a failure that occurred because of misuse, but an honest to god failure where the Gri Gri failed to lock onto the rope in a normal TR or lead situation, then I will delete my account and never again post on MP. If not, you owe me an apology for calling me a moron.

Come on. Just come up with ONE. Heard from a friend of a friend stories don't count. I want to see verification of death because a Gri Gri failed.

Yarp wrote: Really Jay? If you can come up with one real, actual failure of a Gri Gri, and I mean not a failure that occurred because of misuse, but an honest to god failure where the Gri Gri failed to lock onto the rope in a normal TR or lead situation, then I will delete my account and never again post on MP. If not, you owe me an apology for calling me a moron. Come on. Just come up with ONE. Heard from a friend of a friend stories don't count. I want to see verification of death because a Gri Gri failed.

I'll miss ya (kinda, but not really).

I know slim had an one.

Ty Harlacker wrote: No "boinking" not "bonking" unless climbing roofs, otherwise you can jug on the belayers side and get back easily. In that case no worries about smashing ankles though. I totally agree with you as far as giving into the fall. By this I mean jumping up to soften the catch. But sport loops do soften the catch considerably. It lessens the fall-factor. More rope=more stretch

Do some calculations. Extra slack does not lessen the fall factor.

Yarp wrote: I can promise you that the Gri Gri is going to catch you 100% of the time with or without your hand on the device. It's fucking made that way you morons.

Laughable

I was dropped 70 ft when a gri gri failed to lock up and my belayer was going hands free. Is that a direct first person story enough for you. I didn't deck because he grabbed the rope and locked it off, stopping my fall. Lead fall. 9.8 rope (yeah yeah misuse, fine you win the fine print, but how many people use 9.8's with gri gri's? A lot that I have seen).

I use a gri gri to self belay (10.2 rope), with BACK UP knots, specifically because the gri gri DOES have a documented failure rate.

This thread is dumb anyways. The bottom line is if you use a device within the manufacturers recommendation, or outside of it, you assume the possible risks. Those risks increase if you go outside of the recommendations.

-Matt