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Topo of Wind, Sand, and Stars- a route no longer c...
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By Ron Thompson
From: Idlewild, CA
Jun 16, 2011
Climbing up our route we did not see the detached rock piller. Like you see in Wind, Sand and Stars. Our route was close to the Mace rap point. Climbing in the 80's we did not see any pin scars, bolts and any anchors on pitch two. For a route rated A3 R and climbing in the softest sanstone in Sedona you would see fixed anchors somewhere on this route. Look at the Mace, I have climb the Mace before and there are anchor bolts . We never seen any bolts , pin scars on this entire route. Also, pitch two we did not climb a OW crack system but stayed on the face.
By Ron Thompson
From: Idlewild, CA
Apr 13, 2014
I read yesterday the person who chopped part of our route on Thompson Ladder because it offended him back in the mid 80's was fine 5,000 dollar for starting a fire and training without a permit in Sedona. Officials said a climber started a fire within a narrow canyon that is home to rare plants and animals, and a sensitive riparian community during the weeklong rescue training course last September and destroying sensitive riparian plants. This climber who I will not mention was issued two citations , one for 500.00 dollars and one fine for 5,000 dollars for destroying rare plants in the Sedona area. However, our route offended him so much that he pulled out many bolts and used our anchors to rap down and remove our anchors already in place. The sad part is, he is caught years latter destroying rare plants in a sensitive riparian community where my relatives who were the first settlers in Sedona and Oak Creek Canyon tried to save and preserve many areas from developers and people trying to make a profit off the land in Sedona and Oak Creek Canyon, Arizona.
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Topo of Wind, Sand, and Stars- a route no longer climbable because of the installation of a tasteless bolt ladder along the crack line of Pitch 1.

Submitted By: Larry Coats on Sep 26, 2010
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Wind, Sand, and Stars (5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b A2+ R )
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