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Zion, coffee shop lies, attitudes...

steve edwards · · SLC, UT · Joined May 2004 · Points: 645

I miss Joe, too. So where do you recommend currently for elitist snobbery with our coffee?

Albert Newman · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 0

Nate,
That's a nice quote from McCray, he often says things like that. It is rather unfortunate his "profile" in the rags a few years back was so poorly researched. Fitz and Q. did McCray and the climbing community a real disservice with that weak piece of writing.
I have very little experience climbing in Zion, but am lucky enough to have met quite a number of the modern route pioneers ("Zion local tribe"). Most are humble, mellow dudes who enjoy serious adventure and have little desire or need to spray about their many proud accomplishments.
I have not met Ron, but have seen his preaching online about the need for resource protection and conservation (gasp!), an almost taboo topic these days and surely controversial enough to get one outcast from the "me now" crowd.
If a person read the glossy mags over the last half decade, it would be very easy to come to the conclusion that the Zion "pioneers" (not referring to "Zion local tribe") are an egotistical, arrogant crew of very talented free climbers with an insatiable craving for media recognition and glorification.
That's how it looks to one outsider.
Albert Newman

p.s. Are there really "hundreds of thousands of cracks" in Zion?

Andrew Carson · · Wilson, WY · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 1,520

"Hundreds of thousands"? Nah, more.

Jersey · · park city, utah · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 115

N.F.B you rule, your hired mister ambassador.

the rest of you stay away from ZION, it's mine and it's scary, loose, and the locals are all gun toting imbred polyigs for real.

isn't that Gar guy who thinks he's a zion local the noob who added bolts to your "already established, well know if you just asked" route- POW,Right in the rat. You're a nicer guy than me Brown, i'd tell him to get off the keyboard and go back up there and fix that debauchery.

OOOOOHH OOOOHH

Gaar · · Springdale / Zion UT / Moab · Joined Feb 2007 · Points: 1,448

Complete total noob move but hey, its great you can now rap that thing with one 70m (some-one else put a new anchor up top too)!! ye haw. You guys are all so nice, and much more badass then I will ever be. Thats why zion is the place to be

To every one else. Zion is friendly and this shit really doesnt happen here. Come on down

Nathan Brown · · Wilson, WY · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 925

Jersey,

Thanks for your vote.

Gaar is a local. He lives there and climbs a bunch.

For all 20 people reading this: I don't care if you add bolts to my routes or chop them. I honestly, for the most part, don't care what you do in general. In my little reality, it is all just a bunch of stone.

EDIT: There are many (including some close friends who develope routes in Zion) who on the other hand will get very angry if you chop thier routes or add bolts. See the 9,652 threads and 852 magazine articles on this topic. I propose that we be cordial and give a phone call or an email to each other (no need to call me) for a discussion before we drill or chop established routes.

Also for all 20 of you reading this: Hope to see you there.

Nate

steve richert · · Taunton MA · Joined Jun 2008 · Points: 10

I havent climbed in Zion but I am going to be moving to LaVerkin in a few weeks and I am psyched to meet everyone and climb! Having cut my teeth climbing at the Gunks in NY I am pretty sure that I have seen the least friendly climbers in the country...but thats ok if it works for them. I am friendly if not a great climber so I always either have a great climb or make a new friend. Fun times.

D Snyder · · Virgin, Utah · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 245

21 people reading now Nate. Haha...good post. Can't wait for things to dry up so's I can do some climbing in the park.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Southern Utah Deserts
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