Missing crashpads at Panther Peak

Eric Rhicard wrote:Sorry to hear about the gear Chris. For those of you who are upset about the stashing of gear in the Tucson Area. It is a common practice when folks are trying to develop areas. We have not had access issues because of it yet and until this I know of only one instance of gear being stolen and that hammer drill had been stashed pretty close to an area where lots of tourists and kids hike around. The Tucson climbing community is pretty small and we all benefit from the endeavors of those developing areas so we leave stuff alone. Generally if you have a problem with something like stashed gear you contact people and talk to them about it. I have never heard about anything like that happening. We certainly don't go steal it. We are all climbers here, climbers that steal with other climbers stuff suck. So if you took the stuff please return it as we would if we "found" your stuff. If you don't like finding pads out there contact someone talk to them.

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Charles Vernon wrote: Not a red herring at all. The point is that local climbers, who have the best grasp on this situation, do not perceive a problem. For some reason, climbers from Colorado (and elsewhere) feel compelled to lecture and take pot shots, but not one local climber has expressed concern. Ethics and access issues are simply not set in stone the same way everywhere in the country.

Someone took the pad(s). Perhaps the AZ climbing community isn't as united on this topic as some of the posts have suggested.

All the dude wanted was his pad back. It really tied the boulders together.

Eric Rhicard wrote: It is a common practice when folks are trying to develop areas.

Why is this common practice?
Why is it ok to leave pads if you are devloping an area?
Is it ok to leave pads if you are working a problem?
Does common practice = acceptance?

And I agree that stealing from other climbers is lame regardless of the reason.

Not sure if this is a joke or what but mountainproject.com/v/for_s…

I remember bouldering at Morrison when there were no pads. It made you stay more in your limits and taught you patience. I'm thinking Midnight Lightning had it's F.A. without pads. I would think that pads lower the overall quality of finally getting the problem. O.K. now it's post 2000 and they are accepted, but they still seem like a stick clip to me. They would be nice to sleep on :)

Ya, check the guy selling 3 pads today. Coincidence?

If you will it, dude, it is no dream.

Woodchuck ATC wrote:Ya, check the guy selling 3 pads today. Coincidence?

Three of the exact same pads from Arizona at the same time?? Nah, probably not related...LOL

Josh Janes wrote: I agree 100%. This sounds like a bunch of people hating on a fellow climber they've never met and scapegoating him for some perceived access issue that has never even happened. How many critics on this thread actually saw these particular pads and thought they were an eyesore? Or better yet, how many of these people have taken positive action to improve an access situation other than criticizing someone they never met on the internet? Are you seriously concerned that vegetation, marmots, tourists, or access are going to be affected by Chris's three, formerly-stashed pads? Chris never made claims that it was appropriate or inappropriate to leave his gear there, and he's not asking for sympathy... just that he'd like to locate his stuff now that it's gone missing. So unless you actually have some way of helping (either Chris or access concerns), maybe you should just keep your mouth shut. And to the guy who claims credibility because of his 70lb pack of "climbing gear", I'd be happy to discuss over email how to lighten your load for a more enjoyable rock climbing experience.

I'm with you Josh. I'm kinda disgusted and embarrassed by the comments made on any given forum here on Mountain Project by other fellow climbers. People that are so quick to assume or interpret without the facts. I'm not Christian but I LOVE Jesus's quote in the bible 'He who has not sinned, cast the first stone."

TDog wrote: Wrong! More than one local or past local has "expressed concern". Even on this forum. Remember too that MP.com does not reach or represent all climbers. What do you think the T is for?? It is BAD to leave stuff behind for many reasons. Don't get all butt hurt when you stuff is take by someone else.

Dude just got back and saw this... I tink we've made the LNT thing klear.... "butt hurt" who says that? really I think we all can agree that it's a bummer to have anything stolen.

Hey Chris that is unfortunate as the world of hunger dominate suffering individuals who do not use common sense and reason. Get this I live here in the Village of Oak Creek near Sedona and I left my Black Diamond Pad, the big version and I told the wrong person. I get back up to where it was stashed and this person or someone else felt the sick need to cut one of the shoulder straps. I was able to salvage the Pad, but it left a sour taste in my mouth so I've learned that it is better to haul these things out for peace of mind. I hope this is resolved in a peaceful manner. Cheers.

Woodchuck ATC wrote:The vote is in. Pack out your pads. Geez bouderers, you've only got shoes and a chalk bag so what's the problem? Try hauling a 70lb pack of trad gear in and out of the backcountry sometime for a real climbing experience. Yeah, I know, it's a new generation and they have all the answers (excuses) to live mountain life THEIR way and screw the rest of us.

I am not trying to get personal but you are bouldering in your Avatar pic. So I think you need to dismount from the high horse.

After reading an article today in the local news, I couldn't but help think of this thread. Everyone seems to be saying, Chris is destroying the environment by stashing his pads. Well here is the article I read today. If you all feel so strong about the environment, why don't you find a way to help with this issue instead. azstarnet.com/news/local/bo… I bet half of you won't even bother lifting a finger about it. Chris sorry to hear about your pads and good luck getting them back.

Ryan Dillon,
What should a person do about it? What we have is some kind folks supplying water to people in need, what could be wrong with that? It isn't a sport or recreation to the folks who are about to die of thirst. It's not in any way related to laziness like leaving huge pads in the wilderness. Sure, they don't have to try to cross illegally into our country; but if you were in their shoes, I think you might be willing to do the same thing!

Jim Gloeckler wrote:What we have is some kind folks supplying water to people in need, what could be wrong with that? It's not in any way related to laziness like leaving huge pads in the wilderness. Sure, they don't have to try to cross illegally into our country; but if you were in their shoes, I think you might be willing to do the same thing!

Are you f-ing kidding me. You have an organization that is littering a wildlife refuge with one gallon plastic bottles. Yeah your right there is a difference in the two in the causes but the effect is the same. The organization was offered different options so they are not littering the park but don't seem to care. So yeah they are related. I'm just saying all you folks are jumping on Chris about stashing some pads, that he intended to take out. You ask what can you do? Are you really that naive. You all can get all ballsy on here and jump Chris's @ss about littering the environment but can't figure out how to write an organization and tell them that their actions are wrong. While yes I do tip my hat to them for what they are doing but believe it can be done in a different way.

ryan dillon wrote:After reading an article today in the local news, I couldn't but help think of this thread. Everyone seems to be saying, Chris is destroying the environment by stashing his pads. Well here is the article I read today. If you all feel so strong about the environment, why don't you find a way to help with this issue instead. azstarnet.com/news/local/bo… I bet half of you won't even bother lifting a finger about it. Chris sorry to hear about your pads and good luck getting them back.

tangential at best.

Ryan,
then you write them.

Jim Gloeckler wrote:Ryan, then you write them.

I have.
Yes I know that it is not rock climbing related but was just curious if many of the people blasting Chris actually care about the environment.

ryan dillon wrote:After reading an article today in the local news, I couldn't but help think of this thread. Everyone seems to be saying, Chris is destroying the environment by stashing his pads. Well here is the article I read today. If you all feel so strong about the environment, why don't you find a way to help with this issue instead. azstarnet.com/news/local/bo… I bet half of you won't even bother lifting a finger about it. Chris sorry to hear about your pads and good luck getting them back.

Oh wait, you wanted me to write the organization???? I thought you wanted me to write my congressman and senators! Sh!t, my bad!