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Does your gym allow you to take your shirt off?

Tits McGee · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 260

Enough of this - I am going climbing - Have a great weekend and get outside - with or without a shirt!

Cheers,
Doug

Shawn Mitchell · · Broomfield · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 250

?lamina tal como La Mina? ?De donde eres? O digo, ?de donde sos?

Hey, Mina (I think) where did your post go?

Ryan Kelly · · work. · Joined Oct 2006 · Points: 2,960
Jed Pointer wrote: No, there isn't considerable variation in even the strictest statistical sense, only a few outliers.
Are you kidding? Have you ever traveled?
Tim Stich · · Colorado Springs, Colorado · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 1,520
Bob D'Antonio wrote: I give it three years and tank tops will be back in style...might be longer for mullets.
Actually Bob, Czech women are wearing two-tone mullets as we speak. I have photo evidence of it as well. I couldn't believe it.
nonamemoniker · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 0

this (sub)debate (the one about "clothing norms") will continue until you agree on some metric or unit of measure for degree of clothing normalcy. The whole concept to me seems rather slippery - like an analysis of human proclivities - tell me where are the reliable/predictable patterns? I mean: I'd be very hesitant to take a position on what clothing (or degree of body coverage) is "normal" and what isn't. Further exactly how do you contrain your analysis? average 24/7, only while in public, etc. However, I suppose that argument is beside the main one (or is it), which I interpret to be who thinks he's/she's smart enough to break the social-sexual *restrictions* and get away with it (presumably achieveing some advantage) . Ahh but we certainly know the true connoisseurs in this pass-time (i.e. american culture).

Mike Lane · · AnCapistan · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 880

My wife's a Czech. The place is crawling with beauties, but they have the worst fashion sense on the planet; like they're all colorblind.

George Vigeon · · Bend, OR · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 35

2 days and 7 pages...Wow!

My guess is this will hit about 15...but at this rate 20 is quite possible...

Sounds like someone needs to climb more and spray less...someone or a whole bunch of someone's...

Ken Cangi · · Eldorado Springs, CO · Joined Jul 2005 · Points: 620
Jed Pointer wrote: I have only stated clothing is a universal mark of class and decency, nothing more. However, feel free to have all the discussion you want about the infinite number of norms even within Boulder, what is normal (norm != normal) and how social context can change that. Sounds like a great topic for a 5th grade social studies class.
Sounds a lot like the topic of this vapid discussion, in which you appear to be the main protagonist.
nonamemoniker · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 0

don't worry about the page count...its quality not quantity remember? hehe

nonamemoniker · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 0

on that point I'd kinda like to know how JP is the "protagonist" protagonist of what?

Ken Cangi · · Eldorado Springs, CO · Joined Jul 2005 · Points: 620
Jed Pointer wrote: Vapid? No.
Opinions vary.
metrozen Geoffrion · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 235

BOOOOOOOOORING!!!

nonamemoniker · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 0

blazing saddles..wtf?

Joe Huggins · · Grand Junction · Joined Oct 2001 · Points: 105

So, as ridiculous as it seems that we're still writing about this; it got funny for me today. As exceptionally gay as it is to show up at the gym after work on Friday, Eden greeted me with the news that she had been reading this thread and had seen my post. I allowed as to how I hadn't realized that I was a gay poser (GP) until I read the opinions of superior empiricists on this thread. I let the other shirtless guys know that they were GPs as well. Now that I've been compelled to post again,I just have to accept the shame of being a wanker like the rest of you.

Shawn Mitchell · · Broomfield · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 250

I said metrosexual, Joe. Not that there's anything wrong with that!

'TIS A PRIVILEGE TO LIVE IN COLORADO!! Motivated by Doug and inspired by this thread, I turned off the computer, blasted to Chautauqua, ripped off my shirt (sorry picnickers...but it's even worse in the sunlight!) trotted to the 2nd Flatiron in 15 minutes, hauled up Freeway fast enough to keep the cardio revved, then ran back down the trail. Car to car, 1:10. Views, cool air, twilight...Glorious!

So, to my epistle on the value of prudes in society, Deaun channeled Bob to say we land across the spectrum based on our upbringing and cumulative experience. Fair enough, but not sure it really engages my point that the norms tug-o'-war is inescapable and it would be a really ugly society where it didn't take place. We need the scolds so not every burgh--or tv show--is Bangkok or North Beach in San Fran.

Deaun and PRRose argued mens' bare chests is not really a slippery hold on a 5.11 slope because of the entrenched American norm that a shirtless man is OK, but boobs and anyone's southern hemisphere are taboo. Also fair enough. But their point doesn't end the debate for a few reasons. First, posts have ranged beyond the gym and implicated the merits of modesty--of skin or attitude--more broadly. Second, it's easy to imagine edgier outfits posing similar issues even in the gym. Third, the world is flat and cosmopolitan trends are rippling even in our direction. Exceptionalism is so jingoistic :) I smile when PR cites Normal USA to block me, then joins the global community to counter Jed.

Finally, the logic and attitude of several posters doesn't really sustain even the asserted American rules. Why shouldn't we all let our hair down more? What would it hurt? I tried to take that on. Gotta admit I'm a little disappointed Bob didn't bite, because, of all the thoughtful posts he makes, on this topic he seems dismissive, even angry, at the "other camp." I hoped to pose a worthy challenge.

PS: Metrozen, that is the *coolest* picture of your dog. I had to enlarge it to figure it out and he's a bada**.

nonamemoniker · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 0

that is a cool shot..metro how far did ya have to drive to get that? hehe

Hank Caylor · · Livin' in the Junk! · Joined Dec 2003 · Points: 643

I actually have a waaaaaay bigger problem with the guys whos boxers hang a foot or so out of their pants. The shirt thing doesn't really bother me. How else do I show off my wicked 5 pack (4 cut abs with a beer gut underneath)?

Micahisaac · · Fort Collins, CO · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 80

can we all agree on one thing? That lycra being out of style is a good thing!

If this goes to 10 pages I'm gonna start wearing a penis gourd

metrozen Geoffrion · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 235

Funniest friggin thread ever. I am in tears.

Shawn Mitchell
13 hours ago
PS: Metrozen, that is the *coolest* picture of your dog. I had to
enlarge it to figure it out and he's a bada**.

nonamemoniker
13 hours ago
that is a cool shot..metro how far did ya have to drive to get
that? hehe

Thanks, friends. Nothing beats heading up country and bringing home a half yard of the white stuff to chuck at each other in 70 degree flip-flop weather. I know - I should leave it there to melt into the watershed! I can't help it. Lucas likes to catch snowballs until he barfs, ruining the rest of the snow. I like this picture especially because his red rocket didn't make it's way into the shot. That happens far too often.

Anyway -

The average dude with no shirt is way less offensive to me than almost every picture of sporty climber dudes published pre-1990. Only road cyclists dress like that anymore. No to undermine the mad skill and determination involved in two wheelin' (much respect), but why do they all dress like a power ninja at summer camp?

Steve!

Jonas Salk · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 10
PRRose wrote: So you say... In addition, you have now expanded your claim to not only world-wide scope, but universal scope. What exactly is your experience with other worlds to make this claim?
i think i may have gone to another world once. the beings there looked like clouds and had cool eyes. no shirts though.

micahisaac
If this goes to 10 pages I'm gonna start wearing a penis gourd

oh man, that just may happen! do you know where to get one?
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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