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What's with the thread titles that have nothing to do with the thread? Or did you forget something?

My vote is there are certain things you just don't do. Chipping is one of those.

Climbers can be babies and bicker, get hurt feelings, pissed about trad vs. sport style, bolting, names of routes, knots, etc... when they really should be climbing instead because it's just not important enough to cry over.

But there ARE things that are wrong and right. Not everything is relative. Chipping, graffiti, etc... are things people need to be decked for. (I ran some guys off one of the Stoney Point rocks right off the highway. That's rock's graffiti is a disgrace!) And it has to be called out.

I was having this very conversation with a friend today...

there are a few in my area who apparently believe that they are doing a community service by "fixing" established routes. Usually this is in the form of adding toprope or convenience anchors in areas that have a proud history, and are not toprope areas, though occasionally it is in the form of crowbarring blocks or scrubbing lichen off with a wire brush.

It seems though that deep down, they know that what they are doing is not completely above-board because they will never come right out and say "I added some toprope anchors." They only say "a 2 bolt anchor was added..." If they are so proud of their contributions, then why not advertise for everyone to hear? To try to masquerade altering routes as a community service is laughable.

What happened to the days of adventure and "leave minimal trace" so that others can enjoy a similar adventure? It makes me crazy when others rob me of my climbing experience.

To answer your original question, I too make it a point to speak up and spotlight what I find offensive in the climbing community. My opinion is there for folks to consider, and may cause newer climbers to question some of the actions that they see out at the crags. Without presenting alternate views, people may not realize that there are other valid opinions out there.

Shawn - "Stoney Point", are you serious! Topanga exit off the 118? Oh man. . . back in the day. . . .

I agree with Shawn and Jon. If you feel the need to build holds, then build an f-in' climbing wall in your backyard.

You honestly think we believe your "loud mouth whistleblowing" isn't ego driven?

Search yourself for that which you dislike in others.

brent armstrong wrote:You honestly think we believe your "loud mouth whistleblowing" isn't ego driven? Search yourself for that which you dislike in others.

Killis...anyone that really knows Brent is laughing at you right now.

Does anyone think that people put these holds in the wall to say they did a 5.11?
I think it's funny (not the manufacturing holds part), because they tell all their friends they are awesome climbers, when in fact, they are climbing a man-made step ladder up the wall.