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By habla
Jan 18, 2011
baldy

EDIT: Wild turkey + Internet = im a jackass

Basicly. I dont understand why people post stuff just to be assholes on forums like rockclimbing.com
(Mountainproject PEOPLE ARE HELPFULL)
but i read some of the post on rockclimbing.com and all people do is bash on each other.


AND. im sorry for stereotyping, and basically doing the same thing that bothers me.


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By Evan1984
Jan 18, 2011

Maybe the jerks online are drunk when they post?

Anyway, I pretty much disagree with your entire rant:
1. You basically disparage climbers as weak because they aren't usually muscle bound. I like combing my own hair.
2. You stereotype the climbing crowd as a bunch of patchouli burning hippies.
3. You don't give any credit for the fact that MOST experienced climbers have given of their time and money to mentor beginners. This past year, i've taken 3 climbers on their first outside climbs for free, in my car, and on my gear.

Anyway, dude, whenever you point fingers, there are three pointing back at yourself.

Good morning,
Evan


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By K. Le Douche
Jan 18, 2011
Detox Mountain, Jackson Falls, IL

On your last post about choosing a project, I'd say you recieved mostly positive and encouraging feedback. The douche-bag or two that did reply were not jabbing at you, just at other posters or the climbing community in general.

Sorry you were subject to online douchery, but hey, that sh!t happens from time to time. I wouldn't let it taint your view of the greater climbing community. Most climbers I know are more than happy to help out new climbers because we've all been there before.

cheers


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Jan 18, 2011
Stabby

I don't agree with anything you said and would highly recommend that you do something about staying off the forums when you've been imbibing.

That said, one thing you have to realize is that climber's humor tends to be sharp and dark. After all, what we do for fun has a degree of deadly seriousness to it. Calling newbies "gumbies" has a way of importing a sense of urgency to get out of the beginning stages as fast as you can b/c in a way your life depends on it.


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By csproul
From Rancho Cordova, CA
Jan 18, 2011
Summit of Wolf's Head with Pingora in the background

Maybe we (climbers) just hate drunk, powerlifting, steroid taking, truck lifting, illiterate gumbies (not you personally, of course).


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By cjdrover
From Somerville, MA
Jan 18, 2011
Taken at MWV Icefest 2014.

Bryan Jeffrey wrote:
Climbing is like any other sport

Yeah it was really tragic when all those pro golfers died last year attempting bold, inspiring new courses.

Sorry pal, but the internet is a bad place for seeking advice for beginners in anything, especially climbing. The backhanded comments you see relate to the fact that asking "how do I do __?" on a forum looks like an attempt to shortcut the usual learning curve (patiently picking up skills from mentors), and makes people nervous that a newbie is about to go get themselves killed. Just like any other sport, of course.

Oh, and +1 for Evan's response.

-Chris


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By Jay Knower
Administrator
From Campton, NH
Jan 18, 2011
Technosurfing, Rumney. Photo by Seth Hamel.

Hey Bryan, it's a bummer you feel that climbers on the site aren't supportive. I thought you got a lot of informative, helpful posts on your thread about projects (I certainly intended my posts to be helpful). Don't get down on a few bad apples. There are a lot of really great people on this site, and most climbers in the real world are great too.


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By Tim McCabe
Jan 18, 2011

Bryan I'll do my best to be nice but here's the deal the way I see it climbers are very passionate people and when they see things they don't like they are going to say something about it. Case in point the whole fix draw debate, on the one side you have threads like the not so natural state. The guy who camouflages his hangers because he cares about ascetics gets pissed when when someone hangs shiny chains off of his bolts. On the other side climbers who want to leave fixed draws are equally pissed when someone pulls them down.

This is nothing new climbers have been raking each other over the coals for decades. In some cases this has even lead to violence and vandalism its sad I know but that's what happens when passionate people get riled up.

Even a simple thing like spelling and grammar the grammar nerd thread went 7 pages.

Bryan Jeffrey wrote:
Next time you see a "gumby" give them a little constructive criticism instead of laughing. then your life wont be such a waist. cuz you were there once to. to anyone who agrees. cheers.
I think you meant that your life won't be such a waste. I am no expert but I think waist is a part of the body and waste is like trash. This is meant as constructive criticism I am not laughing at you trust me I suck at grammar and spelling. Thank dog for spell check.

For the record I am not drunk but I am usually a bit ornery when I first get up in the morning. Here's a line that could get me going.

Bryan Jeffrey wrote:
and we are talking people that weight 300+ pounds and could lift a truck. but here. you got alot of guys that are flyweight at best. couldnt bench there own bodyweight if there life depended on it and mouthing off.


I can't see any point in being able to lift my own weight as a climber. It seems way more important to be light enough to hang from small holds. Take up free soloing and your life will depend on it.

Bryan Jeffrey wrote:
and i dont get why you(no one personaly) have a name for new climbers (gumbys).


I met a climber once who had a gumby earring. I guess I have always thought of the term gumby as a term of endearment. Seems like people refer to the time when I was a gumby or give a warning Gumbys taking over the ice. I grew up with Gumby, he and Pokey are hanging on my fridge.

Bryan Jeffrey wrote:
i thought climbers were a piece full karma loving bunch.


Sorry to disappoint you but climbers are not a peaceful karma loving bunch, see I am still bagging on you about the whole grammar, spelling thing. The one I have trouble with is seems and seams I can never remember which one is for sewing and which one means something else. Like ones a verb and the other an adverb or some such thing I nearly flunked English class but I still know the difference between, there, their, and they're. Seems (I think that's the one) like grammar went out with texting and people tend to say things on line that they would never say in person. Sometimes that may be a good thing but mostly it is likely a bad thing. Don't take it personally it seams (I think that's the wrong one so feel free to mock me openly) to be part of the culture these days.

Bryan thanks for the post, this reply used up a full cup of coffee and now I am ready to start my day.

Bryan in all seriousness welcome to the wonderful world of climbing I hope it brings you many years of enjoyment. Don't let a few jerk comments on line impede that.

Piece.


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By Tom T
Jan 18, 2011

Chris Drover wrote:
Oh, and +1 for Evan's response. -Chris



Yes! I never knew how "pah-chu-lee" was spelled. Thanks. See...climbers being nice.


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By Tom T
Jan 18, 2011

This one seems relevant to this topic. I got a good laugh out of this a couple years ago and saved it.
This one seems relevant to this topic. I got a good laugh out of this a couple years ago and saved it.


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By will smith
From boulder
Jan 18, 2011

You usually get what you give.


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By iceman777
From Colorado Springs
Jan 18, 2011
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I'm not an asshole

IM THE ASSHOLE !!!!!!!


Let's get it right OK !

CHEERS
ICE


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By bearbreeder
Jan 18, 2011

1. most "normal" climbers ive met or climbed with have been fairly decent people when climbing ...

2. they may not be nice online ... thats the same for any online forum

3. climbing is like any "other" sport where a mistake can easily kill you ... it aint curling ;)

4. climbing is not a violent sport ... generally violent sports tend to have VERY nice people ... because if you aint nice you'll be sparring with that person and sooner or later get your azz handed to you ... theres a saying that you never truly know someone until youve fought them for a few rounds


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By Ty Meadows
From Moab, UT
Jan 18, 2011
hellvis

Maybe it's just wanna be climbers from Maine that have the attitude. I would too if I lived there.


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By P LaDouche
From CO
Jan 18, 2011

Bryan Jeffrey wrote:
iv met alot of cool people that climb. but it seams like most of them are assholes (usually online and in other forums) in other sports iv been involved in. ie. Powerlifting. where everyone is super competitive and steroids are just about everywhere you look. everyone is still as nice as can be. and we are talking people that weight 300+ pounds and could lift a truck. but here. you got alot of guys that are flyweight at best. couldnt bench there own bodyweight if there life depended on it and mouthing off. i thought climbers were a piece full karma loving bunch. i mean. its great to hear climbers "spray" about there hardest climbs. it gets me pumped and want to climb that much harder. but no other climbers want to hear about other climbers accomplishments, and that doesnt make sense to me. and i dont get why you(no one personaly) have a name for new climbers (gumbys). When i used to spend most of my time at the gym lifting. when i would see guys in there throwing weight around with little or no form. I would take them under my wing for the day. teach them that less weight with perfect form is much more effective. and they would be greatfull. when someone would critique me. I would be thankfull. and the powerlifting group is very tight knit. Alot of climbers seem egotistical, stuck up. with that attitude like they hopped out of the womb on sighting everything in sight. and like there sport is the most dangerous complex hardest to learn sport to ever exist, and the world should turn there heads when climbers walk by. Climbing is like any other sport. it takes practice, a good understanding of safty, dedication, and no one outside of this circle gives a crap what you can do. i give props to all the people on this forum for there respect. and constructive criticism. but if your one of those people that talk crap on other forums. you need to drop the ego crap. cuz just like any other sport. its just somthing that you enjoy doing and waste your time with tell you die. Next time you see a "gumby" give them a little constructive criticism instead of laughing. then your life wont be such a waist. cuz you were there once to. to anyone who agrees. cheers.


I'm thinking that YOU just need to lighten up. I once heard that almost 50% of male lifters are gay so maybe thats where all the niceness comes from, feminine humans tend to be nicer than masculine humans.

I'm calling for a new Drunken Rant forum instead of censoring threads and posts. That way when you wake up the next day and see what embarrassing things you have done on the internet while drinking you can at least say to yourself that it was at least posted in the right category.


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By AGParker
From San Angelo, TX
Jan 18, 2011

I have no idea what you are talking about...I have never seen another climber stuck in a donkey.


I know, really bad humor, but that is the first thing I thought when I saw the post's title.


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By richard magill
Jan 18, 2011
Mountain Bike Action!

You have to imagine how all of us skinny, smelly, dirty, narcissistic sport climbers feel when a big strong bronzed powerlifter shows up at the crag. Probably with hot girlfriend in tow...

It's a little hard on the ego.

On the other hand, if the climber-guy is sending something hard while the power lifter can't even figure out how to put on his harness, maybe that hot chick will look his way???

Seriously though: the "gumby" thing is like an initiation - the secret to being let in the "club" is just to love climbing and keep doing it!


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By P LaDouche
From CO
Jan 18, 2011

richard magill wrote:
Seriously though: the "gumby" thing is like an initiation - the secret to being let in the "club" is just to love climbing and keep doing it!


I'm with you. If the n00bs dont like it then take up knitting in a stitch and bitch class.


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By Crag Dweller
From New York, NY
Jan 18, 2011
My navigator keeps me from getting lost

Bryan Jeffrey wrote:
...but here. you got alot of guys that are flyweight at best. couldnt bench there own bodyweight if there life depended on it and mouthing off...


i'm glad that comment came early in the post. i knew not to waste my time reading any further.


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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Jan 18, 2011
You stay away from mah pig!

To the original poster:

1. The reason that powerlifters aren't assholes on the internet is because they lack the mental capacity to grasp sarcasm, satire, and parody.

2. You are equating mountainprodgers with climbers, and assuming that everyone will behave the same, whether at the crag or online. This is wrong.

3. If we weren't mean to gumbies, noobs, grommets, and overweight 5.8 topropers, the crowds would just get overwhelming.

4. STFU, Gumbie!


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By Ryan Kelly
From work.
Jan 18, 2011
My kinda simian


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By Ben Walburn
Jan 18, 2011
"This definitely beats lying in a pile of saw dust all day"

Bryan you are going to fit in perfectly with the online climbing community. Just keep posting about your strengths as a human being while simultaneously, with ignorance, cast doubt and judgment upon everyone else( present company excluded of course). Oh and nice representation of the "Power lifting" community. You just confirmed for all of us that you're all a bunch of D-bags. This is why we climb rocks, so we can escape the endearing intellect of the gentle giants at Gold's Gym.
This post begs the reader to give attention to your hurt ego, undoubtedly stemming from the fact that you couldn't climb the blue taped route. Don't call yourself a climber...please. It makes the rest of us look like an ignorant meatheads.


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By Ryan Kelly
From work.
Jan 18, 2011
My kinda simian

Ben Walburn wrote:
Bryan you are going to fit in perfectly with the online climbing community. Just keep posting about your strengths as a human being while simultaneously, with ignorance, cast doubt and judgment upon everyone else( present company excluded of course). Oh and nice representation of the "Power lifting" community. You just confirmed for all of us that you're all a bunch of D-bags. This is why we climb rocks, so we can escape the endearing intellect of the gentle giants at Gold's Gym.


You know, I tried writing exactly that but kept violating guideline #1 in between slamming on his spelling and grammar. I eventually gave up and looked for pics of spray-tanned powerlifting d-bags. That proved to be a risky search at work, so I settled on the pot and kettle. Well said.


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By bwalt822
Jan 18, 2011

Just in case anyone gets stretch marks from climbing so hard...talk to the body builders

forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130970063


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By P LaDouche
From CO
Jan 18, 2011

bwalt822 wrote:
Just in case anyone gets stretch marks from climbing so hard...talk to the body builders forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130970063


My sack has stretch marks.


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By Ben Walburn
Jan 18, 2011
"This definitely beats lying in a pile of saw dust all day"

You know what? I bet Bryan could learn a lot from a good mentor. I nominate Ms. Jenn Fields of Colorado. She has recently emerged into the General forum arena with a profound impact on the community. I believe she has the same misguided outlook on the activity and codes of conduct therein and her grammar is equally, if not more, appalling. However this would be a leap of character for you as she is A)a woman and B) I believe she climbs harder than you. I am,however, unaware of how much she bench presses, My bad.


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