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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: Roy Leggett When: Nov 22, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: "I"! The Royal "we"! You know, the editorial........(The Dude)
When I first got on this problem 10 years ago, it was described/named as Standard Overhang to me. Obviously there are some different communities at play here. I personally will choose to respect the pioneers of the area, remember the history and will continue to know it as "Standard Overhang". But, since I don’t boulder up there anymore and since the "royal we" of "the community that boulders in the park" needs to know this as the ... more >>
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: Andrew Vojslavek When: Nov 22, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: I find this to be an interesting debate. What role does history play in a climb?
The original name should have it's place noted, I agree with this. Nevertheless, I have never heard this climb called anything but The Kind, to help other climbers seeking this climb, I feel it is important to use the most well known name.
If I were climbing in Emerald lake and a fellow climber asked me, "Where the standard overhang is?" Until recently I would not be able to help them locate this rock climb. ... more >>
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: tcamillieri When: Nov 9, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: Roy,
I would like to point out that "I" did not name the problem. The consensus of the community that boulders in the park knows this problem as The Kind.
In respect to Horan's guide, he has nothing to do with the communities that have been climbing up there and so my opinion is that HE named the climbs and that privilege does not belong to him, it does not belong to me, it belongs to the community.
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: jason seaver When: Oct 31, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: Very sorry to have bored people with the history of this problem. I honestly submitted it in hopes that people would appreciate the info and correct the mistake. Alas, it seems as if tcam is the authority on what to call things and he sees no need to push the issue further. Perhaps we could at least get Jim Belcer's name spelled correctly in the ever-so-gracious history paragraph? Or, if tcam has seen fit to change Jim's last name to Belcher, maybe someone could let me know so I can inform Jim o... more >>
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: Roy Leggett When: Oct 29, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: To quote Tcami....
"I've cited my reasons for naming the route the way it is"
"route information is posted by individuals I think they should do so as they see fit while taking into consideration the views of others."
T,
1. You didn?t name the route....you entered it into a database, and incorrectly too I might add.
2. Jason was not offering his "view" on the matter; he was correcting you and informing us.
I find it interesting that the route heading went from: The Kine, to The Kin... more >>
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: tcamillieri When: Oct 29, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: I don't think people say Word anymore. I just think it's funny. I've made a note of the history in the problem description as well as my reasons for keeping the name The Kind. It's recorded, and the history is there, but I also think that the function of this website is to help people go climbing and going with the name the community has given facilitates this.
My "issues" with the route impact the way that I choose to name the route. While I'm more than glad to have a discussion of them ... more >>
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: Chip Phillips When: Oct 29, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: While I agree Jason, I can't help but yawn a little. Boulderers from all over the world know this problem as The Kind. However, it's nice to finally know who was first to start tooling around putting up problems near Emerald Lake. I knew Ian Glass and Jim Belcer were early on the scene, but Jim Hurst is new name I had not heard before. Thanks for that cool bit of info!
A related example is The Monkey Traverse, which was known for 20 years as The Long Traverse before Benningfield's guide changed... more >>
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: jason seaver When: Oct 29, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: Despite what you may think, this is not a rant. It is an attempt to get the first ascent information recorded correctly in this database. A discussion about the most, and least, inspiring route names would probably belong on the forum page. Your "issues" about the name would probably belong there too since they have nothing to do with the name of this problem.
Are people still saying "word"?
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: tcamillieri When: Oct 28, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: Jason,
Thanks for the history lesson. Be glad to start a discussion forum (note guideline #3 on this here database), and let you know my issues with the name. Word.
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: Chip Phillips When: Oct 28, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: I too have ALWAYS heard this called "The Kind." Respect for The Standard Overhang name should presumably be given, regardless how uninspiring it is.
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: Peter Beal When: Oct 28, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: Perhaps "Standard Overhang" was not the most original or memorable name to choose. I have always heard this called The Kind.
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: jason seaver When: Oct 28, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: Whether it "sticks" or not, this here is a climbing database. The actual names of problems and routes, and the history of their development, should be preserved and should take precedence over a later generation's ideas. Just because these guys did all these problems long before they got popular doesn't mean the next crew gets to rename them. Have some respect. If "The Kine" absolutely HAS to remain in the name it should appear AFTER the real name.
And what does "aka (also known as) Slander" mea... more >>
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: tcamillieri When: Oct 27, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: While it may have been called that, I don't think that the FA'ist's name is going to stick in this case (as happens with so many boulder problems, e.g. Slander).
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: jason seaver When: Oct 24, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: After your matter-of-fact response, tcamillieri, I asked around to see where my memory of the "In Your Face" name came from. This is what I found out:
This problem was established in the summer of '92 or '93 by Jim Hurst. He called it "In Your Face" because there was a good-sized block that threatened to dislodge into your face while you were yarding on it. The following summer Jim Belcer and Dean Potter, along with Hurst, repeated the problem, and succeeded in pulling the block off. Since the "... more >>
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : RMNP Bouldering Miscellaneo... : ... : The Kind (V5)
By: tcamillieri When: Oct 18, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: No.
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : Chaos Canyon Bouldering
By: GCH When: Oct 12, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: There are always the disrespectfuls out there - nothing we can do about it. The area is bound to get a little tore up, but I think it's cool that you guys are making an effort to bring about some kind of an awareness about the delicate environment. Cheers!
I was up in Chaos about a month ago, and one thing that I noticed is that people are using the climber trails way to much. I know the hike is long and that last uphill stretch, with gear and a crashpad, will wear your arse out, but we need to... more >>
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Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : RMNP Bouldering Areas : Chaos Canyon Bouldering : ... : Photo
By: Anar-Christ When: Sep 18, 2009 | view comment >> |
Comments: Fucking Gingers shouldn't be allowed to climb!
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